Log file opened at: 08/26/2002 19:21:21 [19:21] ***: You have joined the channel [19:21] VerxHome: so I don't think it is a documents tab issue [19:21] darienm: Heh, screw that. Jaguar is not ready for me. [19:21] kergoth: well its obviously something in the launcher.. [19:21] TheMasterMind1: darienm: rofl [19:22] * tux_mike starts the eternal build [19:22] kergoth: VerxHome: course uninstalling cardmon would solve it i'm sure [19:22] kergoth: VerxHome: but thatd be lame [19:22] darienm: Too many damn reported bugs and incompatibilities, and even Apple has already released 10.2.1 [19:22] kergoth: heh [19:22] VerxHome: actually [19:22] VerxHome: if that is the issue [19:22] VerxHome: I will just do that [19:22] kergoth: so try it [19:22] VerxHome: I don't need a little icon [19:22] kergoth: :) [19:22] VerxHome: well, I am trying some other things just now [19:22] darienm: ->BZFlag: Heya - how are we doing with zsi ? [19:22] kergoth: course then you've no eject button [19:22] VerxHome: right [19:23] kergoth: which sucks [19:23] VerxHome: but you can just yank the card ya know [19:23] VerxHome: :) [19:23] kergoth: yeah [19:23] kergoth: if you dont mind losing data [19:23] TheMasterMind1: lol [19:23] kergoth: writes are *cached* [19:23] kergoth: heh [19:23] VerxHome: my CF is read only [19:23] VerxHome: I don't write to it [19:23] kergoth: ah, well then you're okay [19:23] VerxHome: it holds data I refer to [19:23] kergoth: most people wont be :-) [19:23] VerxHome: true [19:24] ***: imm has quit IRC ("sleep") [19:24] TheMasterMind1: well [19:24] kergoth: VerxHome: still, itd be a good test [19:24] TheMasterMind1: atleast it will narrow down the problem :0) [19:24] kergoth: TheMasterMind1: exactly [19:24] TheMasterMind1: (troubeshooting/debugging)++ [19:24] ***: Junxster has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [19:24] TheMasterMind1: especially when they're spelt right [19:24] kergoth: hehe [19:26] fusion94: spelt is the limey way of spelling spelled [19:26] TheMasterMind1: lol [19:27] TheMasterMind1: chiefly British past and past participle ofSPELL [19:28] VerxHome: ok kergoth [19:28] VerxHome: I have no cradle with me here [19:28] VerxHome: so I have to ask you [19:28] VerxHome: do you see any bad repercussions from uninstalling the cardmon? [19:28] VerxHome: it is ONLY for ejecting and showing card status, right? [19:28] TheMasterMind1: lol [19:29] VerxHome: actually [19:29] VerxHome: nevermind [19:29] VerxHome: I will just make a flash image from beforehand [19:29] VerxHome: no biggie [19:29] Cloudchaser: verx [19:30] Cloudchaser: i just tried my 256 card [19:30] Cloudchaser: suspended [19:30] Cloudchaser: unsuspended [19:30] VerxHome: and? [19:30] Cloudchaser: 0 app cpu usage after unsuspending [19:30] * VerxHome cries [19:30] Cloudchaser: spiked u and then down [19:30] VerxHome: why is MY card the only one so evil?!?!?!? [19:30] Cloudchaser: and.. i definitely have had issues [19:30] Cloudchaser: nonon [19:31] Cloudchaser: i have had the 80 to 90 percent app cpu usage [19:31] ***: mark (mark@m84-mp1.cvx2-a.bre.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [19:31] Cloudchaser: to suspend i shut it off, no? [19:31] ljp: any files on the cf right now? [19:31] mark: anyone use intellisync round here? [19:31] VerxHome: yes cloudchaser [19:31] VerxHome: mark: I do [19:31] Cloudchaser: ok thought so [19:31] Cloudchaser: and yes i have files on 256 card [19:31] mark: VerxHome: can it be used to get . ipks onto the Z? [19:31] VerxHome: Cloudchaser: But you just said you had 0 app cpu usage after suspend/unsuspend [19:32] VerxHome: so you don't have the problem I do [19:32] VerxHome: mark: I haven't ever tried, but I think so [19:32] Cloudchaser: yep, it spiked up briefly then went back down [19:32] mark: VerxHome: k, i'm writing some docs :) [19:32] Cloudchaser: now i have just reflashed [19:32] ljp: suspend/resume again.. see if it'll do that [19:32] Cloudchaser: and have done nothing to the z yet [19:32] Wembly: docs on what? [19:32] Cloudchaser: no updating of ipkg yet [19:32] VerxHome: cloudchaser, are you on OZ? [19:32] Cloudchaser: yes [19:33] Cloudchaser: just reflashed [19:33] mark: Wembly: ah, just an faq for Knights [19:33] Wembly: ahhh [19:33] ***: Bill__ has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [19:33] mark: anyone use Qtopia Desktop? :) [19:33] ***: ibot1 (~ibot@212.47.93.16) has joined the channel [19:33] darienm: ibot1 search zsi for qpose [19:33] ibot1: Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. [19:33] darienm: Grrrr. [19:34] Wembly: awww [19:34] Wembly: poor ibot1 [19:34] Wembly: poor darienm [19:34] Cloudchaser: hm i suspended again and unsuspended, this time i closed system info [19:34] darienm: Its not my code. [19:34] Cloudchaser: now it won't open [19:34] VerxHome: ok [19:34] VerxHome: just removed cardmon [19:34] darienm: the machine must be restricting sockets to the web. [19:34] Wembly: cloudchaser: herm? [19:34] VerxHome: rebooting [19:34] ***: ibot1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [19:34] Wembly: cloudchaser: whats wrong? [19:34] Wembly: cloudchaser: and sharp or oz? [19:34] TheMasterMind1: darienm: what machine and what language? [19:34] VerxHome: Cloudchaser: Odd [19:34] darienm: Its BZFlag's machine. [19:35] darienm: MY macine (zsibot) works fine :) [19:35] darienm: zsibot search zsi for qpose [19:35] zsibot: QPose 3.5-0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=122 [19:35] TheMasterMind1: hmm [19:35] Cloudchaser: i taped on system info and it did nothing cept show the graphic like it was tapped [19:35] TheMasterMind1: darienm: don't use his machine then :D [19:35] darienm: I dont want to host a bot. [19:35] TheMasterMind1: darienm: heh [19:35] darienm: I just wanted to teach ibot a new trick. [19:35] Wembly: cloudchaser: *looks confused* [19:35] TheMasterMind1: darienm: i'll host it [19:35] Cloudchaser: hehe yeah its wierd [19:35] darienm: BZ is already hosting a damned fine bot. [19:35] Wembly: cloudchaser: very hehe [19:35] Cloudchaser: restarting opie [19:36] TheMasterMind1: or better yet, get him to fix the socket issue [19:36] ***: ibot (~ibot@212.47.93.16) has joined the channel [19:36] TheMasterMind1: probably some iptables/chains thing [19:36] darienm: ibot search zsi for qpose [19:36] ibot: QPose 3.5-0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=122 [19:36] darienm: yay !!!!! [19:36] VerxHome: kergoth [19:36] ***: zsibot has quit IRC ("regrouping; bbiab") [19:36] VerxHome: if you are around [19:36] TheMasterMind1: lol [19:36] Wembly: darienm: i dont think anyone is saying otherwise :) [19:36] VerxHome: uninstalling cardmon had no effect [19:36] Onyx4: is opie-netsystemtime an ntp client config? [19:36] darienm: saying? what? [19:36] Wembly: onyx4: no clue but last i tried to install it it said it couldnt. [19:37] darienm: ibot show recent zsi [19:37] ibot: zbattleship 0.2.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=414 [19:37] ibot: cyrillic_input_and_fonts 1.01 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=406 [19:37] ibot: Quake (usable, but slooooow) >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 [19:37] darienm: ibot zsi [19:37] ibot: i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi now with 'zsibot find ' [19:37] darienm: ibot forget zsi [19:37] ibot: darienm: I forgot zsi [19:37] TheMasterMind1: kergoth ran away [19:38] darienm: ibot zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for ' or 'ibot show recent zsi' [19:38] ibot: OK, darienm. [19:38] VerxHome: can you blame the guy? [19:38] Cloudchaser: nope not at all [19:38] VerxHome: I mean kergoth does so frigging much [19:38] VerxHome: and there is only one of him [19:38] VerxHome: :( [19:38] Cloudchaser: lets clone him! [19:38] VerxHome: heh [19:38] VerxHome: I was talking about that earlier [19:38] Cloudchaser: i'd buy a krgoth clone! [19:38] VerxHome: I said I wanted 10 kergoths [19:38] VerxHome: :) [19:38] VerxHome: rofl cloudchaser [19:38] Cloudchaser: hehe [19:38] darienm: ->ibot: search zsi for calculator [19:38] Wembly: herm. [19:38] Wembly: damn [19:38] Cloudchaser: ok i had to reboot to get sysinfo working again [19:38] Cloudchaser: now i try suspend again [19:39] Wembly: i could make a fortune if i could ebay kergoth [19:40] Cloudchaser: ok after that suspend app cpu is up to about 75% [19:40] ***: Equinox|WORK has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [19:40] Cloudchaser: 75 to 80 [19:40] darienm: ibot search zsi for pdf [19:40] ibot: zbattleship 0.2.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=414 [19:40] ibot: cyrillic_input_and_fonts 1.01 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=406 [19:40] ibot: Quake (usable, but slooooow) >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 [19:40] ibot: GameBoyZ 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=411 [19:40] ibot: Startup_Screen_Replacements 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=325 [19:40] VerxHome: well [19:41] Cloudchaser: cept the card doesn't show in eject [19:41] Cloudchaser: now its gone back down [19:41] TheMasterMind1: darienm: oops [19:41] VerxHome: time to cram everything onto a 128MB card [19:41] Cloudchaser: berry wierd [19:41] VerxHome: so I don't have this suspend issue [19:41] darienm: Yah - something's broke [19:41] TheMasterMind1: i'm betting its a kernel issue [19:41] TheMasterMind1: that kernel is so damn old [19:41] Cloudchaser: verx i took out my card [19:41] Cloudchaser: and its still high [19:41] VerxHome: yeah [19:41] VerxHome: that is what happens [19:41] ***: rikkus (~rik@modem-1545.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined the channel [19:41] VerxHome: once it goes high [19:42] VerxHome: you have to either reboot [19:42] VerxHome: or restart opie [19:42] VerxHome: to fix it [19:42] Onyx4: verx, sorry I was away, any more clues on the CF load problem? [19:42] TheMasterMind1: once you pop the fun don't stop [19:42] ***: Equinox|WORK (~someone@vault-zero.interplay.com) has joined the channel [19:42] VerxHome: Onyx4: I have not found anyone with the problem that doesn't have a 256MB card [19:42] VerxHome: and I haven't found anyone with a smaller card that has the problem [19:42] VerxHome: doesn't mean anything for certain [19:43] VerxHome: but it might be the issue [19:43] Onyx4: yes interesting [19:43] TheMasterMind1: VerxHome: how about a higher card? [19:43] TheMasterMind1: err, bigger card [19:43] Onyx4: I get the problem even when I insert my 256mb card and try to use it I think [19:43] roge99_laptop: VerxHome: i have the prob w/ 128's [19:43] VerxHome: TheMasterMind1: Buy me one and I will try it [19:43] VerxHome: roge99_laptop: Oh, ok [19:43] VerxHome: then that leads me to believe it is brand related [19:43] * roge99_laptop is back (gone 00:22:43) [19:43] VerxHome: perhaps some cards don't suspend properly [19:43] VerxHome: and others do [19:43] VerxHome: ? [19:44] Cloudchaser: i have a wierd card promedia [19:44] TheMasterMind1: didn't someone say it works if you umount before suspend? [19:44] VerxHome: my -*DIRT DIRT*- cheap "Mr. Flash" (never heard of them) cards seem to work fine [19:44] Cloudchaser: i've heard of them [19:44] roge99_laptop: yea .. if you unmount the fs before the suspend it dosent happen [19:44] TheMasterMind1: VerxHome: can you confirm that? [19:44] Cloudchaser: couldnt' find one when i was looking to buy though [19:45] Cloudchaser: ok one more test with 16mb card then i have to get installing [19:45] TheMasterMind1: VerxHome: try umounting before suspend [19:47] ***: wyvern has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [19:47] ljp: doesnt matter if umount first here [19:47] TheMasterMind1: F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm! [19:47] ***: codemnky (~codemnky@user-1121iqo.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined the channel [19:48] codemnky: hello [19:48] Cloudchaser: hiya [19:48] * VerxHome reads back [19:48] codemnky: is there an easy way in unix/perl to say $date_time = function(local time, time zone); [19:49] VerxHome: ok, I will try that themastermind1 [19:49] VerxHome: one sec [19:49] ljp: same thing here [19:49] TheMasterMind1: codemnky: you can just do time() - timezoneoffset [19:49] TheMasterMind1: or + [19:50] VerxHome: ljp: So if you umount before a suspend it works for you? [19:50] ljp: nope [19:50] ***: ibot has quit IRC ("regrouping; bbiab") [19:50] TheMasterMind1: hmm [19:50] VerxHome: ok [19:50] TheMasterMind1: roge99_laptop seems to be the odd one out [19:50] TheMasterMind1: heh [19:50] VerxHome: I am just gonna switch to my 128MB CF card until this blows over [19:51] codemnky: what's timezoneoffset [19:51] TheMasterMind1: i still bet its the kernel [19:51] codemnky: seconds/hours ? [19:51] VerxHome: I will help test with my 256MB one anytime someone has an idea of what might be wrong [19:51] TheMasterMind1: codemnky: something you calculate. in seconds if you're using it with time() [19:51] ***: ibot (~ibot@212.47.93.16) has joined the channel [19:51] VerxHome: but at this point I have tried everything I can think of [19:51] TheMasterMind1: VerxHome: did you try umount ? [19:51] VerxHome: :( [19:51] codemnky: ok [19:51] codemnky: i get it [19:51] VerxHome: TheMasterMind1: ljp tried it [19:51] VerxHome: it didn't work for him [19:51] ***: zsibot (~zsibot@orbit.ipcinc.net) has joined the channel [19:51] codemnky: thx [19:51] TheMasterMind1: VerxHome: so? you try it [19:51] TheMasterMind1: more data = better [19:51] Bender: did anyone get the remote to work? [19:51] darienm: ->zsibot: search zsi for calculator [19:51] VerxHome: ok [19:51] VerxHome: well [19:51] VerxHome: for some reason, my Z didn't boot just now [19:52] TheMasterMind1: ick [19:52] VerxHome: I am trying to figure out if the flash munged something. . . [19:52] * TheMasterMind1 blames it all on the kernel [19:52] ***: ibot has quit IRC (Client Quit) [19:53] ***: ibot (~ibot@212.47.93.16) has joined the channel [19:53] darienm: ->ibot: search zsi for qpose [19:54] ***: codemnky has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [19:54] ***: prpplague has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [19:55] ***: zsibot has quit IRC (Client Quit) [19:55] Cloudchaser: hey if i'm updating atd..i need to stop the daemon first? [19:56] ***: tweek (~ryan@66-214-74-175.mb-cres.charterpipeline.net) has joined the channel [19:57] ***: scanline has left the channel [19:57] ***: extremis (~extremis@cs242237-197.houston.rr.com) has joined the channel [19:57] kergoth: Cloudchaser: shouldnt have to, no [19:57] tweek: has anyone succesfully gotten usbnet to work with the Z in linux, and if so, could PLEASE tell me how? [19:57] Com[Plex]: verx, sometimes my z wont reboot after a flash unless i hit the hard reset button for a qhole second before replaceing the battery cover [19:57] Cloudchaser: ok well it failed [19:57] kergoth: Cloudchaser: but after installing it you may want to stop and restart it [19:57] kergoth: Cloudchaser: if the postinst fails that doesnt meant he install fails. [19:57] Cloudchaser: oh [19:57] kergoth: s/meant he/mean the/ [19:57] ***: raster (~raster@flu11888-1.gw.connect.com.au) has joined the channel [19:58] TheMasterMind1: tweek: yes, what's not working for you? [19:58] kergoth: Cloudchaser: I would recommend either manually stopping and restarting atd or rebooting [19:58] Cloudchaser: well it doesn't show as installed anyway still on the list [19:58] Cloudchaser: ok i'll do that [19:58] raster: gooooooood moonin! [19:58] raster: :) [19:58] tweek: TheMasterMind1: well, i get a message in dmesg that says... [19:58] tweek: TheMasterMind1: USB device not accepting new address (error=-110) [19:58] kergoth: Cloudchaser: if it doesnt show as installed after rebooting, then try reinstalling [19:58] Cloudchaser: ok [19:59] kergoth: tweek: you have to use usbdnet, not usbnet, first of all [19:59] Cloudchaser: here's a dopey question.. i had some stuff installed onto sd card, and they show as installed on the feed list [19:59] kergoth: Cloudchaser: of course they do [19:59] Cloudchaser: do i need to reinstall them? [19:59] ***: chouimat|tv is now known as chouimat|eat [19:59] kergoth: Cloudchaser: "feed" shows *every* installed package [19:59] tweek: kergoth: ouch, that might be it :) [19:59] kergoth: Cloudchaser: regardless of where they are installed to or where they came from [19:59] Cloudchaser: well what i mean is [19:59] VerxHome: kergoth: I think her point is [19:59] Cloudchaser: since i reflashed, [19:59] extremis: kergoth: fakeap? [19:59] VerxHome: she had them installed on sharp rom [19:59] kergoth: extremis: nope [19:59] kergoth: tweek: indeed [19:59] VerxHome: and has reflashed with OZ [20:00] VerxHome: and they show up on the feed list [20:00] Cloudchaser: well no i had them installed on oz [20:00] Cloudchaser: but [20:00] VerxHome: she can't run them without redoing all the symlinks right? [20:00] tweek: kergoth: ok, thank you - i'll get back to you to let you know if it works (you too TheMasterMind1 :) [20:00] Cloudchaser: right that [20:00] ***: raster has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [20:00] kergoth: yes, packages previously installed to sd/cf neee dto be reinstalled af ter a reflash [20:00] ***: mtm is now known as mtm_away [20:00] kergoth: or at lea st resymlinked [20:00] Cloudchaser: hehe i can't cope with that [20:00] kergoth: tweek: np. read the ethernet over usb howto on zauruszone.com. [20:00] kergoth: Cloudchaser: well, i've been complaining ot get it fixed for a while now [20:00] Cloudchaser: i'm going to empty my sd card and reformat it i think, [20:01] tweek: kergoth: awesome, thanks mucho [20:01] kergoth: tweek: np [20:01] kergoth: Cloudchaser: its just i dont have the time to fix it myself [20:01] Cloudchaser: its size is reported wrong on both sharp rom and oz [20:01] ***: Equinox|WORK has quit IRC ("Gone") [20:01] TheMasterMind1: does anyone use the sharp developer2developer bbs? [20:01] Cloudchaser: s'ok kergoth [20:01] kergoth: Cloudchaser: yeah you told me about that [20:01] Cloudchaser: i need to reformat it anyway [20:01] kergoth: TheMasterMind1: used to, in like october of last year.. [20:01] Cloudchaser: to see if it makes a diff [20:01] kergoth: heh [20:01] kergoth: k [20:01] kergoth: tonight i'm going to eat, work out, read, and sleep [20:01] kergoth: not gonna get much coding or anything done [20:01] kergoth: need to relax [20:01] TheMasterMind1: heh [20:01] ***: bbeattie has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [20:02] VerxHome: kergoth: Good for you man [20:02] VerxHome: :)))) [20:02] * VerxHome buys kergoth a beer [20:02] ***: raster (~raster@flu11888-1.gw.connect.com.au) has joined the channel [20:02] tweek: kergoth: for some reason, i stil get that error :( any ideas [20:02] Cloudchaser: sugar make kergoth a long island iced tea [20:02] tweek: ? [20:02] Cloudchaser: sugar make kergoth a long island ice tea [20:02] * Sugar combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. [20:02] raster: grrrr [20:02] raster: bloody power supply [20:02] kergoth: tweek: the modules arent loaded in the Z, or yuo have general usb problems, do you have any other usb devices? [20:02] kergoth: tweek: make sure usbdmonitor, usbcore, net_fd, and sa1100_bi are loaded o n the zaurus [20:02] kergoth: Cloudchaser: thanks [20:03] kergoth: Cloudchaser: you try fbvncserver yet? [20:03] tweek: kergoth: i have other usb devices that seem to work fine [20:03] Cloudchaser: not yet but very soon, [20:03] kergoth: k [20:03] Cloudchaser: updating existing ipkg first [20:03] kergoth: tweek: then the Z doesnt have the necessary modules loaded [20:03] kergoth: Cloudchaser: good [20:03] Cloudchaser: then make my first backup verx style [20:03] tweek: kergoth: it has all hose you listed :( [20:04] kergoth: creating rom images cloud? [20:04] Cloudchaser: yep [20:04] kergoth: tweek: well, if the Z isnt accepting a usb address its in bad shape [20:04] kergoth: tweek: try rebooting it [20:04] Cloudchaser: get it just the way i want it [20:04] tweek: kergoth: how do i reboot it? [20:04] ***: nazarma has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [20:04] * TheMasterMind1 blames it all on the kernel yet again [20:04] kergoth: Cloudchaser, VerxHome: creating yourself a backup initrd.bin should probabbly get documented as a possible backup method in the OZ FAQ, eh? [20:04] kergoth: tweek: Settings->Shutdown->reboot [20:05] VerxHome: kergoth: Well [20:05] VerxHome: yeah [20:05] VerxHome: it is pretty obvious actually [20:05] kergoth: tweek: or Embeddedkonsole, type reboot at the prompt [20:05] Cloudchaser: i'll add it in and since vnc is now working i'll do some docs with screenies even [20:05] kergoth: VerxHome: obvious after the fact, yes [20:05] VerxHome: but yeah, there may be people not familiar with dd [20:05] kergoth: VerxHome: most people wont think of it [20:05] VerxHome: kergoth: Well, I knew I could make that backup [20:05] kergoth: VerxHome: even if they know dd [20:05] kergoth: heh [20:05] VerxHome: I used that on my ipaq [20:05] kergoth: yeah [20:05] TheMasterMind1: i thought of it :0D [20:05] kergoth: hehe [20:05] kergoth: me too [20:05] kergoth: makes sense if you understand how things work [20:05] TheMasterMind1: ay [20:05] Cloudchaser: kergoth did you add the stuff i sent you into your faq and install.txt? [20:05] TheMasterMind1: especially when you spend 8 hours making kernel and initrd floppies [20:06] kergoth: Cloudchaser: not yet, its still collecting dust in my inbox [20:06] kergoth: Cloudchaser: thanks for the reminder :) [20:06] Cloudchaser: ok i'll add more then you can [20:06] kergoth: okay [20:06] ***: wezzel (~wesr@bgp01392959bgs.parads01.nm.comcast.net) has joined the channel [20:07] TheMasterMind1: apt-get install initrd-tools [20:08] TheMasterMind1: can you disassemble an initrd? [20:08] tweek: kergoth: you're a frigginn genius - thanks a ton [20:08] ***: wyvern (~supergibs@dsl-65-184-82-141.telocity.com) has joined the channel [20:09] * TheMasterMind1 is away: dinner. [20:11] ***: Bender has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [20:12] VerxHome: kergoth: Does OZ handle fat32? [20:12] tweek: kergoth: except, i dont understand what i need to do with ifconfig after it connects [20:13] ***: mark has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [20:13] ***: SirPsycho (~SirPsycho@adsl-216-62-159-175.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined the channel [20:13] * roge99_laptop is away: out-n-about [20:13] * roge99_laptop is back (gone 00:00:03) [20:13] roge99_laptop: i hate when i do that [20:13] VerxHome: heh [20:16] ***: rikkus has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [20:16] roge99_laptop: so did we figure any thing else out ( i was off hangn wallpaper again) [20:17] ***: ljp_studio (~wind@204.144.239.133) has joined the channel [20:17] ***: ][N-Flux has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [20:18] tweek: kergoth: i got it, thanks again!!! [20:18] ***: tweek has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [20:21] ***: KhensU has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [20:21] roge99_laptop: ljp if you unmount /mnt/cf before the suspend do you still have the problem [20:23] roge99_laptop: how bout you VerxHome [20:23] VerxHome: yes, I still have the problem [20:23] roge99_laptop: hrm... [20:23] roge99_laptop: i just did it again ... and it worked fine [20:23] VerxHome: and now I am having some difficulty with my USB card reader/writer [20:23] VerxHome: I cannot seem to write 120 some MB of data to it before it zonks on me [20:24] Cloudchaser: hmm i got no clipboard icon on the bottome bar [20:25] VerxHome: my CF card has 1300 files on it [20:25] VerxHome: heh [20:26] ***: KhensU (randy@00-01-02-c8-77-80.bconnected.net) has joined the channel [20:27] ljp_studio: roge99: yes [20:28] TheMasterMind1: no [20:28] TheMasterMind1: kergoth: you around? [20:29] ***: Cloudchaser has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [20:29] ***: Cloudchaser (~cloudchas@ool-182dd057.dyn.optonline.net) has joined the channel [20:31] ***: chouimat|eat is now known as choui|NOTHERE [20:33] ***: ljp has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [20:33] ***: extremis has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [20:35] ***: VerxHome has quit IRC ("gotta troubleshoot") [20:35] ***: Xenith has quit IRC ("[x]chat - The only way to fly") [20:38] * ljp_studio heats up leftover mac and cheese [20:38] Cloudchaser: ok i know its not recommended to reformat sd card, but is it harmfull? [20:39] ljp_studio: shouldnt be [20:39] roge99_laptop: Cloudchaser: i formatted mine ext2 back in Dec and i havent had a prob [20:39] Cloudchaser: well i'll leave it at vfat probly [20:39] roge99_laptop: i build a new fs on it every time i reflash as well [20:40] Cloudchaser: i'm just having a problem with space being reported incorrectly for a couple of directories [20:40] roge99_laptop: if your gonna install apps to it i would reccomend ext2 [20:40] endr: roge99_laptop: ever formatted an sd ext3? any point? [20:40] ljp_studio: fsck.vfat [20:40] Cloudchaser: why roge99? [20:40] roge99_laptop: nope kernel dosent currently have ext3 support [20:40] ljp_studio: or fsck.dos or whatever [20:40] endr: roge99_laptop: duh...k [20:41] roge99_laptop: Cloudchaser: some packages install symlinks .. dont work in fat [20:42] Cloudchaser: ok with a fresh reflash and no apps yet installed, its safe to delete everything from sd card isn't it? i did back it all up first [20:42] roge99_laptop: dont see why not [20:43] ***: VerxHome (~Verxion@12-219-165-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined the channel [20:44] Cloudchaser: very odd. when the card is empty it shows all the space just fine [20:44] Cloudchaser: i'll fsk it anyway [20:45] Cloudchaser: this z is so wierd [20:45] Cloudchaser: a little bit ago after i did all the updating and uninstalling/installing i wanted to rom, it said i had 1800k left [20:45] darienm: ->ibot: search zsi for calculator [20:46] Cloudchaser: now it says i have 3200k left [20:46] Cloudchaser: and i didn't uninstall anything [20:46] Com[Plex]: restarting clears out temprary fioes [20:46] Cloudchaser: would it be good to move /tmp to mtdram? [20:46] Cloudchaser: could i do that? [20:46] Com[Plex]: the IPKG installer downloads all the files, decompressess them, and then copies the resulting files to there respective locations [20:47] Com[Plex]: uh... im not sure if that is where the the ipkg tmp folder is [20:47] Com[Plex]: let me check [20:47] ***: Bender (~bar@145.218.27.24.cfl.rr.com) has joined the channel [20:47] Onyx4: it downloads them to /tmp I think [20:48] Onyx4: which is tmpfs [20:48] Com[Plex]: ? [20:48] ***: ibot has quit IRC ("regrouping; bbiab") [20:48] Onyx4: it probably shares the space with the real ram portion [20:48] Onyx4: unless it's ramfs can't remember, type "mount" [20:49] ***: ibot (~ibot@212.47.93.16) has joined the channel [20:50] darienm: ->ibot: search zsi for calculator [20:52] Com[Plex]: well onyx,. when I do a run of installs, my "int. storage /jffs2" gets filled up. mtdram does not. - once I restart, it clears up [20:52] Com[Plex]: but if I remember corectly, ipk puts the temp files for each IPK on the same "drive" you ell it to install to [20:52] Com[Plex]: wich is why there are different ipk temp files on each "drive" [20:53] Onyx4: ok that could be the case [20:53] BZFlag: ibot search zsi for nethack [20:53] Onyx4: maybe just the wget is done in /tmp and it's untarred on the drive you install before being copied [20:53] Onyx4: brb [20:53] ***: Onyx4 is now known as Onyx4|away [20:53] ***: crackotter (~rlivingst@24-205-2-15.oc-nod.charterpipeline.net) has joined the channel [20:53] Com[Plex]: ither way, drive space is consumed. [20:54] TheMasterMind1: apt-get clean [20:57] ***: KallDrexx (~kalldrexx@pcp656159pcs.tallah01.fl.comcast.net) has joined the channel [20:57] VerxHome: I wish the little cover for the sync cradle covered itself automatically on the Z [20:57] ***: BrucePerens (~bruce@dsl-sj-66-219-74-26.broadviewnet.net) has joined the channel [20:57] VerxHome: bruce [20:57] VerxHome: wow [20:57] VerxHome: howdy [20:57] VerxHome: :) [20:58] ***: WormHOME is now known as DaWorm [20:58] BrucePerens: The real one. I've got my Zaurus. [20:58] VerxHome: heh [20:58] VerxHome: cool [20:58] DaWorm: rad [20:58] BrucePerens: So, I can't make the OS update work. [20:58] ***: choui|NOTHERE is now known as chouimat|Zzzz [20:58] ***: chouimat|Zzzz is now known as chouimat|shower [20:59] BrucePerens: I put either OSpack or OpenZaurus on a 128M CF, and press C and D and reset, and the green and orange lights go on for a second and then go off. [20:59] VerxHome: ahh yes [20:59] VerxHome: I had that problem [20:59] VerxHome: here is the thing [21:00] VerxHome: there are so many things that could be going wrong [21:00] VerxHome: #1 you cannot press any keys but C and D [21:00] VerxHome: any others and it won't work [21:00] darienm: ->ibot: search zsi for nethack [21:00] BrucePerens: I guess I need really small fingers. [21:00] ljp_studio: the cf must be fat16 [21:00] roge99_laptop: VerxHome: ahh i hit all kinds of key when i do mine [21:00] VerxHome: #2 Your CF card ABSOLUTELY has to be FAT16 (ie, mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1) [21:01] roge99_laptop: that is usually the problem [21:01] ljp_studio: and power plugged in [21:01] roge99_laptop: and you have to say .... [21:01] Cloudchaser: great googlie moogly1 [21:01] Cloudchaser: ! [21:01] roge99_laptop: lol [21:01] ljp_studio: :D [21:01] * TheMasterMind1 sighs [21:01] VerxHome: #3 If you have not recently made a sacrifice with a young goat. . . [21:01] ljp_studio: or open sesame [21:02] VerxHome: rofl [21:02] BrucePerens: OK, will try mkfs on CF. I have the 512M SD card, that works. [21:02] TheMasterMind1: lol [21:02] TheMasterMind1: lol [21:02] TheMasterMind1: lol [21:02] VerxHome: I swear, I did it 30 times before it worked [21:02] VerxHome: bruce, you have a 512MB SD card? [21:02] BrucePerens: Ugh! [21:02] * VerxHome cries [21:02] TheMasterMind1: VerxHome: 30 goats? [21:02] BrucePerens: Yes, got it from Provantage for $350. They shipped real fast. [21:03] DaWorm: wow [21:03] VerxHome: half a gig [21:04] VerxHome: on something that small [21:04] VerxHome: they should have 4GB CF cards soon [21:04] BrucePerens: I don't think I've ever owned anything so small that cost so much. It really is like a $350 postage stamp. [21:04] ljp_studio: hehe [21:04] VerxHome: yup [21:04] ***: tux_mike has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [21:04] ljp_studio: too bad the z's hardware only uses one sd channel [21:04] VerxHome: yeah [21:05] TheMasterMind1: yea it really is [21:05] VerxHome: I can't fathom why they did that [21:05] VerxHome: and compaq did the very same thing [21:05] ***: ibot has quit IRC ("regrouping; bbiab") [21:05] [DrEvil]: all PDAs that use SD are the same way [21:05] ljp_studio: cheaper, and uses less energy [21:05] VerxHome: its like, presented with perfection or substandard mediocrity, they chose substandard mediocrity [21:06] BrucePerens: Hm. Well, we'll have to get into the hardware someday and see what really is in there. [21:06] [DrEvil]: actually it is a limitation of the ARM hardware that is the problem [21:06] ***: ibot (~ibot@212.47.93.16) has joined the channel [21:06] BrucePerens: Not enough I/O lines? [21:06] [DrEvil]: something like that [21:06] [DrEvil]: at least on this version of the chip [21:06] [DrEvil]: dunno if XScale is different [21:07] BrucePerens: OK, well, I'm going to go poke at the shell and see if I can get the FS to format. [21:07] ***: Teax has left the channel [21:07] [DrEvil]: SD is fast enough for playing MP3s and running programs I suppose [21:08] BrucePerens: I guess. They designed the slot for MMC, didn't they? [21:08] ***: Teax (~tx@ppp-251-172.27-151.libero.it) has joined the channel [21:09] ***: Teax has quit IRC (Client Quit) [21:09] ***: br33zy (~br33zy@dt0f4n82.san.rr.com) has joined the channel [21:09] ljp_studio: ya, I dont think theres any encryption on it [21:10] NeoTron: So I have an A300 here. very cool one in terms of size [21:10] NeoTron: I do miss the keyboard though [21:10] ljp_studio: how did you get an a300? [21:10] NeoTron: through Japanese contacts. :) [21:10] ljp_studio: ahhh ancient japanese secret, eh? [21:11] NeoTron: indeed [21:11] ljp_studio: thats cool [21:11] Cloudchaser: hiiya neo [21:11] NeoTron: that said, it is quite a bit slower. [21:12] [DrEvil]: heh [21:12] ljp_studio: slower? is that a 203? or 400? [21:12] antigerg: 200 [21:12] [DrEvil]: but is is almost 2x the clock speed [21:12] ***: _kuro5hin (~mike@adsl-208-190-153-7.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined the channel [21:12] antigerg: [DrEvil]: Running unoptimized code [21:12] ljp_studio: ya I dont think they optimized qpe for xscale on that [21:12] _kuro5hin: any way to run more than 1 terminal? [21:12] [DrEvil]: ahh [21:12] NeoTron: it's smaller than my Handspring Edge [21:12] ljp_studio: ya get the embeddedkonsole with tabs [21:12] ***: Mode change "-e" for darienm by darienm [21:12] ***: You are now known as darienm|away [21:13] _kuro5hin: ah thanks [21:13] NeoTron: quite a bit shorter and just about the same in width and thickness (a bit smaller I think [21:13] antigerg: [DrEvil]: and its the same clock speed :) [21:13] NeoTron: It's a 200 MHz X-Scale [21:13] [DrEvil]: I thought they were using the 400mhz one [21:13] NeoTron: and it's apparently runing V4L optimized code, not V5L [21:13] ljp_studio: I think the us version will be the 400 [21:13] ***: chouimat|shower is now known as chouimat [21:13] NeoTron: correct [21:13] antigerg: nope. thats the next models [21:13] [DrEvil]: or is it intel hype [21:13] NeoTron: well, actuall, there won't be a US version of the A300 as far as I know [21:14] ljp_studio: hmm [21:14] [DrEvil]: A400? [21:14] NeoTron: but the next US Zaurus is a 400 MHz XScale [21:14] ***: warmi (~wami@dsl-65-184-213-17.telocity.com) has joined the channel [21:14] warmi: re [21:14] antigerg: supposedlt the SL-5500 formfactor is more popular in the us [21:14] NeoTron: [DrEvil]: it's definitely 200 MHz [21:14] NeoTron: antigerg: the keyboard is nice. especially when you lack.. uhm. decent US input. :) [21:14] antigerg: hehe. I like the input :p [21:14] NeoTron: it has a lot of japanese input methods but that's kind of hard for me to use. :) [21:14] antigerg: but I'm odd I guess [21:15] ljp_studio: by the time the vercel ever gets released (if ever) it will be passe. [21:15] NeoTron: antigerg: talking about the A300 [21:15] NeoTron: ljp_studio: think about cost however [21:15] antigerg: anselor|out: Ah. well yeah :). I didnt see any us input [21:15] ljp_studio: true [21:15] NeoTron: isn't vercel that basically fullfledged computer? [21:15] NeoTron: I won't pay $1000 for a PDA or even 8-900 [21:15] NeoTron: I'm sure some people will however [21:15] ljp_studio: hmmm well, it has a keyboard [21:15] ***: BZFlag has quit IRC ("This space intentionally left blank.") [21:16] ljp_studio: and landscape screen [21:16] BrucePerens: OSpack is loading! It must have been the FAT size. OK, time to bathe the two-year-old, I'll see you folks around! - Bruce [21:16] warmi: NeoTron you got A300 ? [21:16] NeoTron: warmi: yeah [21:16] BrucePerens: Thanks for the advice! [21:16] ***: BrucePerens has left the channel [21:16] ljp_studio: later gator [21:16] warmi: how the hell did you manage to get that one ? [21:16] ljp_studio: ancient japanese secret [21:16] NeoTron: how did you get an a300? [21:16] NeoTron: through Japanese contacts. :) [21:16] warmi: was that the real Bruce Perens ? [21:17] [DrEvil]: he smuggled it out [21:17] warmi: ah .. ok [21:17] antigerg: warmi: most likely [21:17] warmi: while you concentrate on A300 .. [21:17] ljp_studio: I dont have a a300, I have Tim Riker's vercel, tho [21:17] ***: EkePoetry (~ToyKeeper@12-252-51-54.client.attbi.com) has joined the channel [21:17] NeoTron: never mind how I got it. I can now tell you all about it. :) [21:17] warmi: I am happily playing with ipaq 3835 :-) [21:17] NeoTron: it has a nice thick manual in Japanese [21:17] warmi: does it run our stuff out of the box ? [21:17] NeoTron: luckily it came with console so I could quickly make it use english locale [21:18] ljp_studio: and I suppose the qtopia is in english? [21:18] NeoTron: it does in theory [21:18] warmi: in theory ? [21:18] warmi: huh [21:18] NeoTron: but my stuff I've tested so far has had some issues like performance and stuff [21:18] ljp_studio: ya xscale has 'issues' [21:18] NeoTron: ljp_studio: it is now - meaning they didn't remove the English texts but some unique japanese apps aren't quite localized [21:18] warmi: well, I guess stories from PPC camp about crappy performance on Xscale were true [21:18] NeoTron: ljp_studio: well, it's only 200 MHz [21:19] NeoTron: I think if it was 400 MHz it'd be faste [21:19] warmi: still it should run at least as fast as 1100 [21:19] [DrEvil]: is there Engrish in it? [21:19] ***: Junxster (~junxster@ip68-100-186-4.nv.nv.cox.net) has joined the channel [21:19] ljp_studio: or if they compiled it for the arm v5 [21:19] NeoTron: [DrEvil]: only "stand in" translations at times [21:19] warmi: and it is not compiler only issue [21:19] [DrEvil]: heh [21:19] NeoTron: warmi: a 400 MHz should, but a 200 MHz is slower. XScale, even optimized code, is slower per MHz [21:19] warmi: obviosuly they never managed to keep compatibility "intel"style .. meaning old code runs just as fast or even faster at the same MHZ on the new CPU [21:20] warmi: wtf ? [21:20] [DrEvil]: well ARM didn't start out as Intel [21:20] warmi: what's the point of "upgrading" then ? [21:20] NeoTron: a 400 MHz is faster [21:20] NeoTron: A300 isn't an "upgrade" from SL-5500 [21:20] warmi: no shit .. why not release 1100 400 MHZ the [21:20] warmi: it would be even faster [21:20] warmi: :-) [21:20] NeoTron: I believe because the architecture doesn't allow as good clockspeed scaling [21:20] warmi: NeoTron I am not talking about A300 but about Xscale in general [21:21] NeoTron: i.e faster 206 would use a lot more battery for example [21:21] NeoTron: a 400 MHz Xscale uses less power than a 206 MHz 1100 [21:21] warmi: oh well .. [21:21] NeoTron: and it can in theory scale the clockspeed 2-4 times w/o too much trouble I think [21:21] warmi: then no 3d games on Zaurus or any other PDA any time soon [21:21] warmi: perhaps PPC will manage to get acceleration built in , into their devices [21:22] NeoTron: warmi: uh, there ARE 3D games already [21:22] warmi: nah .. fake 3d games [21:22] NeoTron: and when I port IF there will be a cool one on the Zaurus [21:22] NeoTron: no, they are truely 3D [21:22] ***: mutexer (~spock@adsl-82-173-102.mem.bellsouth.net) has joined the channel [21:22] NeoTron: older 3D technology yes but still true 3D [21:22] antigerg: warmi: quake runs on the ipaq. that not real 3d? [21:22] NeoTron: and you won't get "true" 3D at least until you get an FPU and/or hardware acceleration [21:22] DaWorm: they guy from eon games who ports ppc games to zaurus just subscribed to zok [21:22] DaWorm: hehheeh [21:22] ***: asterick (asterick@d-131-151-037-211.dynamic.umr.edu) has joined the channel [21:22] warmi: well, the point is that 400 MHZ "next generation" Xscale won't be all that faster than 1100 [21:22] NeoTron: DaWorm: that'd be me, yes [21:23] DaWorm: oh! [21:23] Cloudchaser: hehe [21:23] warmi: zok ? [21:23] TheMasterMind1: lol [21:23] NeoTron: zok · Zaurus Otaku Kurabu [21:23] asterick: '1100'? [21:23] warmi: oh ... that one [21:23] VerxHome: lower power can be next generation in and of itself [21:23] NeoTron: asterick: SA-1100 - StrongARM 1100 - CPU in SL-5x00 [21:23] warmi: asterick : ARM 4 [21:24] NeoTron: it IS faster and uses less power. not a bad thing really [21:24] mutexer: whats the speed comparable to a x86 [21:24] NeoTron: One should note that ARM isn't strickly made by Intel [21:24] warmi: yeah . but have you seen the prices on 400 MHZ PPC devices ? [21:24] NeoTron: mutexer: Less? :) [21:24] [DrEvil]: Sharp should do like Sony does on the Clie [21:24] warmi: we are talking here almost $800 [21:24] [DrEvil]: add hardware accellerated video [21:24] NeoTron: Perhaps they are simply overpriced? :) [21:24] DaWorm: hehe [21:24] mutexer: its not as fast as a x86 of the same mhz? [21:25] DaWorm: they are [21:25] asterick: Hardware acceleration would be a major speed drain. [21:25] asterick: err, power. [21:25] NeoTron: DaWorm: so you're on zok - English user in Japan or just a member for fun? :) [21:25] warmi: NeoTron : yeah .. that is what I am talking about .. a lot of noise about "new" Xscale and what do we get ? overpriced , hardly better devices [21:25] ljp_studio: thats where cold fusion comes in! [21:25] NeoTron: we need fuel cells [21:25] [DrEvil]: I had good performance with my Clie 710c [21:25] NeoTron: they should come soon too [21:25] [DrEvil]: but it had a Dragonball 33 in it [21:25] [DrEvil]: along with the acellerated video chip [21:26] NeoTron: of course it's a PalmOS device [21:26] warmi: DrEvil: Clie runs 8 bit graphis ,does it not ? [21:26] [DrEvil]: no [21:26] NeoTron: probably 16 bpp [21:26] [DrEvil]: the color ones run at 16 [21:26] DaWorm: NeoTron: I used to work in Tsukuba City and had a transfer to another country [21:26] NeoTron: highend non-Palm devices all do [21:26] DaWorm: hehe [21:26] warmi: still .. it is Palm OS [21:26] warmi: :-) [21:26] NeoTron: indeed [21:26] TheMasterMind1: dont' the clie's have 66mhz processors? [21:26] asterick: A blitter might be useful, but nothing really complex. [21:26] DaWorm: NeoTron: but i use a 5500 :) [21:26] warmi: nothing interesting there :-) [21:26] [DrEvil]: the clamshell clies have the 66mhz [21:26] NeoTron: DaWorm: ok. well, I'm trying to get stuff working well on the A300 now so [21:27] TheMasterMind1: what do the non-clamshell clies have? [21:27] asterick: Arn't dragonball processors 16bit? [21:27] warmi: asterick : no .. standard 2d acceleration like blitter .. lines, perhaps fills etc [21:27] warmi: it would help a lot [21:27] NeoTron: Now, PalmOS is efficient and stuff but a hell to develop for. :) [21:27] NeoTron: asterick: yes, dragonballs are 16 bit [21:27] asterick: than 66mhz isn't that fast. [21:27] Cloudchaser: wooohooo! vnc works!!!!! [21:27] [DrEvil]: the clie was only acellerated for 2D though [21:27] chouimat: NeoTron: I agree [21:27] [DrEvil]: which is fine for a PDA [21:27] DaWorm: i guess the high end clies need the 66mhz procs since they also have cameras and mp3 players? [21:28] [DrEvil]: MP3 is on it;s own chip [21:28] asterick: MP3 decoding would have to be hardware, or decreased quality. [21:28] warmi: "high end" hehe [21:28] NeoTron: don't the clie's have a custom specialized mp3 player? [21:28] Junxster: is $566 too much for the t300? [21:28] NeoTron: rather than generic good audio support [21:28] DaWorm: i dunno...my last palm was a vx [21:28] NeoTron: Junxster: t300? what's that? [21:28] DaWorm: i still swear the vx is much better than the newer models [21:29] warmi: NeoTron I thought you said your games run around 80 fps or so [21:29] ***: mark (~mark@m14-mp1.cvx3-a.bre.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [21:29] warmi: so even if the performance was like half of 5500 it still should run at 40 fps [21:29] warmi: which is a lot ! [21:29] [DrEvil]: I like the design of the clamshell clies [21:29] ***: Hellaenergy has quit IRC () [21:29] mark: someone please tell me why i'm up at 3:30 a m [21:29] DaWorm: hehee.. [21:29] DaWorm: 3am [21:29] Junxster: NeoTron: perhaps i mean a300, the new Z from japan [21:29] warmi: mark: cause there is no school tommorow [21:29] DaWorm: and its almost 11am here (tuesday) [21:29] warmi: is there ? [21:29] NeoTron: warmi: 80 fps no. Bust'em is made to run in 60 fps and does run in 60 FPS unless the stylus is pressed [21:30] mark: warmi: nope, i'm still on hols [21:30] Bender: only 10:30 here ;) [21:30] warmi: so which game runs slow on the a300 ? [21:30] mark: NeoTron: can I join the rocket elite beta testing thingy? a reward for my eligo testing perhaps? :P [21:31] ***: extremis (~extremis@cs242237-197.houston.rr.com) has joined the channel [21:31] DaWorm: id love to see metal strike on zaurus [21:31] NeoTron: Junxster: I don't have an exact prices here but once announcement said the price would be 50000 yen [21:31] NeoTron: sugar what is 50000 yen in USD [21:31] NeoTron: sugar what is 50000 jpn in USD [21:32] ***: crackotter has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [21:32] NeoTron: hrm [21:32] Cloudchaser: ok i havne't got a cf card in and my app cpu is up there around 75-80% [21:32] warmi: Cloudchaser : Open Zaurus ? [21:32] Cloudchaser: yep [21:33] NeoTron: sugar what is 50000 jpy in USD [21:33] Sugar: Can't get US$ from JPY. [21:33] antigerg: NeoTron: figured out rocketelite. very nice [21:33] TheMasterMind1: who am i? [21:33] warmi: well, I read there is an ongoing controversy about that [21:33] NeoTron: mark: it'll be released soon, perhaps today [21:33] warmi: supposedly that CF bug was already fixed [21:34] DaWorm: how about interstellar flames? :D [21:34] TheMasterMind1: warmi: where does the problem lie? [21:34] NeoTron: no source yet [21:34] asterick: speaking of... I need to download some rom updates for the Z when it gets here. [21:35] antigerg: NeoTron: IF been released for ppc yet? [21:35] ***: Sugar has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [21:35] NeoTron: antigerg: yes [21:35] ***: Sugar (~neotron@207.188.30.40) has joined the channel [21:35] Junxster: NeoTron: $419=50000 jpy [21:35] VerxHome: ok [21:35] VerxHome: this is just sad [21:35] VerxHome: my winxp system is currently refusing to see my sandisk imagemate CF reader [21:35] NeoTron: sugar what is 50000 jpy in USD [21:35] Sugar: 50000 JPY is 417.57141 US$ [21:35] NeoTron: there [21:35] VerxHome: so I had to hook up my ipaq [21:36] VerxHome: with a frigging dual PCMCIA slot sleeve [21:36] mark: NeoTron: ah okay. oh am i confused, rocket elite isn't the funky 3d space one? [21:36] VerxHome: with a wired ethernet in one slot [21:36] ljp_studio: heh 10,000th of a cent [21:36] VerxHome: and a cf card in the other [21:36] VerxHome: to load the files onto it [21:36] antigerg: mark: thats interstellar flames [21:36] mark: antigerg: ah ok [21:36] warmi: NeoTron any word how well a300 are selling in Japan ? [21:36] NeoTron: as usual mail info@eongames.com and let me know if you want to betatest [21:37] NeoTron: warmi: nope, no clue [21:37] NeoTron: only know Japanese sales are (much) less than US sales. :)) [21:37] warmi: you mean , your sales right ? [21:37] mark: NeoTron: i've had one japan sale so far, heh :) [21:37] asterick: ... Where are the ROM updates for the Z? I can't find them on sharp's page. [21:38] warmi: mark: well, Japanese are not much into chess [21:38] _kuro5hin: some documentation speaks of a "file manager" where is that? [21:38] NeoTron: I've had like 2-3 or so I think [21:38] warmi: _kuro5hin check the CD that came with your Zaurus [21:38] _kuro5hin: ok [21:38] _kuro5hin: kewl [21:38] warmi: NeoTron that's quite pathetic [21:38] NeoTron: oh, the document tab is A LOT better on the A300 [21:38] mark: warmi: nor anything else by the sound of it [21:38] _kuro5hin: does the cd run in linux? [21:38] warmi: mark: hehe [21:39] mark: NeoTron: what have they done? [21:39] NeoTron: it's not just flat [21:39] VerxHome: man [21:39] NeoTron: it has directories [21:39] warmi: _kuro5hin : well, just mount it and you should be able to find ipkg somewhere there [21:39] VerxHome: using my ipaq to put 128MB of data onto a CF card [21:39] VerxHome: rofl [21:39] mark: NeoTron: ah, I see [21:39] warmi: NeoTron : how did they fix the doc tab ? [21:39] mark: NeoTron: do all the .png files installed with software still show up? [21:39] warmi: ah .. directories [21:40] NeoTron: they have this cool picture notepad app too [21:40] * _kuro5hin looks for those pesky cds. [21:40] NeoTron: mark: dunno, haven't installed to SD yet since I only have one SD whcih is used [21:41] mark: NeoTron: ok. thats' my no 1 complaint with the docs tab, plain stupid. [21:41] mark: how sharp QA didn't pick up on that I dont know [21:41] NeoTron: cool. Images show up as such in the documents tag [21:41] NeoTron: is that the case on the US versions? [21:41] NeoTron: anyhow, some more cool things: builtin speaker (!) [21:42] NeoTron: don't know about mic though [21:42] NeoTron: also, the on/off button is on the side, separate from cancel (worst design descision ever) [21:42] mark: NeoTron: did you have an a300 shipped over? [21:42] raster: bleh [21:42] NeoTron: the power button also turns backlight on/off when pressed [21:42] NeoTron: mark: yes [21:42] NeoTron: so basically power/light is separated which is GOOD [21:42] DaWorm: where did you order it? [21:43] mark: NeoTron: how much did you pay? [21:43] NeoTron: it has no removable battery [21:43] mark: thats a shame [21:43] * NeoTron is not at liberty to answer those questions [21:43] NeoTron: sorry [21:43] ***: chouimat is now known as chouimat|Zzzz [21:43] DaWorm: np [21:43] mark: NeoTron: no probs. i really meant whats the retail price [21:43] ljp_studio: we know who neo's been sleeping with! [21:43] chouimat|Zzzz: nite [21:43] NeoTron: I think it's about $420 or so [21:43] mark: ljp_studio: LOL [21:44] NeoTron: according to the press release or what not [21:44] EkePoetry: Yay.. new mmc card and it actually stays mounted properly now. :) [21:44] whardier: http://segfault.bogomip.com/pimpstick.jpg [21:44] EkePoetry: It doesn't even care if I suspend while reading from it. [21:44] whardier: my pimp stick [21:44] NeoTron: instead of a clip-on, falling-off plastic lid, it has a leather flap thingie that's stuck [21:44] mark: NeoTron: not bad [21:44] whardier: MUCHO INPUT! [21:45] DaWorm: bbl gotta finish some work [21:45] NeoTron: the stylus is longer and thinner than the SL-5X00 plastic ones [21:45] ***: DaWorm is now known as WormAFK [21:45] asterick: Jesus christ that is a lot of axis and buttons. [21:45] NeoTron: I don't know how the metal SL-5500 ones are but [21:45] asterick: The biggest one I have is 6 axis 16 button. [21:46] whardier: heh [21:46] whardier: this has lots of stuff [21:46] NeoTron: and it has 6 different input methods. :) [21:46] * mark saw an add for a 14 dimension mouse once.... [21:46] asterick: ... [21:46] mark: i wondered how it managed to traverse the 4th [21:46] [DrEvil]: SpaceBall [21:46] [DrEvil]: I want one [21:46] whardier: Joystick (Saitek Saitek) has 8 axes and 26 buttons. Driver version is 2.1.0. [21:46] whardier: heh [21:46] whardier: thats what it thinks [21:46] Wembly: *pout* [21:46] whardier: most of those are mix matched [21:46] Wembly: i want school to be over [21:47] Wembly: and its already the 1st day [21:47] mark: better head to bed, night all [21:47] ***: mark has quit IRC ("sleep") [21:49] ljp_studio: schools out for me [21:49] WormAFK: school? [21:49] WormAFK: how old is he anyway [21:49] asterick: whardier: Got a link to a picture of that joystick? [21:49] Wembly: hehe [21:50] whardier: yeah [21:50] whardier: hold up [21:50] NeoTron: Oh, since it has a builtin speaker, events play sounds [21:50] NeoTron: and my apps need to open a different /dev/dsp device I believe [21:50] NeoTron: SDL apps play sound, my own dsp library does not [21:51] Wembly: neotron: whats this? [21:51] ljp_studio: hmm [21:52] NeoTron: Wembly: A300 [21:52] NeoTron: ibot A300 [21:52] ibot: A300 is, like, the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale [21:53] NeoTron: ibot A300 also is it has a builtin speaker, and better on-off button plus it's _really_ small [21:53] ibot: OK, NeoTron. [21:53] NeoTron: ibot A300 [21:53] ibot: somebody said A300 was the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale [21:53] Wembly: pifft [21:53] Wembly: no keyboard [21:53] Wembly: sucks. [21:53] WormAFK: yeah [21:53] WormAFK: hehe [21:54] NeoTron: Wembly: it's smaller than a Visor Edge [21:54] WormAFK: that cradle looks horrible [21:54] WormAFK: but i heard the box doesnt include the cradle right [21:54] Wembly: how does it have a better on/off button? [21:54] NeoTron: Wembly: it is its own button first of al [21:54] Wembly: not the cancel button? hehe [21:54] NeoTron: and it's on the side, separate from the other buttons [21:54] NeoTron: right [21:55] TheMasterMind1: is that good or bad? [21:55] Wembly: sorta like the palm? [21:55] whardier: http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x45.htm [21:55] NeoTron: TheMasterMind1: very very good [21:55] whardier: there is the happy little JS I have [21:55] Wembly: they need a wheel :/ [21:55] NeoTron: you often press cancel isntead of turning it off [21:55] ***: alex1241551`4 (~alex5346@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) has joined the channel [21:55] Wembly: i just genreally hold the cancel button down [21:55] WormAFK: now thats a joystick [21:55] whardier: yes it is [21:55] whardier: I am happy [21:55] whardier: and writing new drivers for it soon [21:55] ***: alex1241551`4 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [21:55] whardier: it even has a nipple mouse [21:56] Wembly: hehe [21:56] ***: alex1241551`4 (~alex5346@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) has joined the channel [21:56] asterick: whardier: I'm tempted to buy that for my dad. [21:56] whardier: oh my god [21:56] asterick: He's a flight sim freak. [21:56] whardier: dude [21:56] NeoTron: a joystick for the zaurus would be cool [21:56] ljp_studio: whardier is a nipple driver writer? [21:56] whardier: he would love it [21:56] whardier: this is [21:56] whardier: feeeeeel [21:56] whardier: goooood [21:56] whardier: I would touch this joystick [21:56] whardier: more than my own [21:56] Wembly: neotron: itd be nice if they moved the darn dpad over to the side. [21:57] Wembly: so that one thumb can rest on the dpad and the other on the app buttons. [21:57] asterick: whardier: I think I talked my brother into going half on it. [21:57] Wembly: very useful for games ;) [21:57] Wembly: and isnt gonna kill anything for normal use [21:57] whardier: this is bootifull [21:57] whardier: what is the D button [21:57] asterick: My dad used to be very good at warbirds, doesn't play it much anymore. [21:57] whardier: heh [21:57] whardier: I only bought it for a simulation [21:57] Wembly: anyhow [21:57] Wembly: back to work for me bibi [21:57] asterick: He has really expencive rudder peddles, and a really crappy joystick [21:58] ljp_studio: ya slacker! [21:58] asterick: Wem: later. [21:58] VerxHome: heh [21:58] VerxHome: I have warbirds for my Atari Lynx [21:58] VerxHome: rofl [21:58] VerxHome: I don't play it much anymore [21:58] NeoTron: man, the date format is wicked [21:58] VerxHome: either [21:58] VerxHome: :) [21:58] VerxHome: NeoTron: Why so? [21:58] NeoTron: 2002year8g26day [21:58] NeoTron: wtf is up with that? :) [21:59] VerxHome: heh [21:59] VerxHome: who knows [21:59] ljp_studio: looks like a malformed sprintf [22:00] ***: Speedy2 (johnny@max-fw-139.dallas.net) has joined the channel [22:00] Speedy2: re [22:00] ***: Junxster has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [22:00] VerxHome: ok [22:00] Speedy2: Hi Joe. [22:00] VerxHome: got all my data from the 256MB card onto my 128MB card [22:01] VerxHome: now I can suspend without driving the load through the roof [22:01] VerxHome: howdy speedy2 :) [22:01] Cloudchaser: i don't think its only cf memory cards verx [22:01] VerxHome: Cloudchaser: Might not be [22:01] VerxHome: but they cause the problem for sure [22:01] Cloudchaser: my z just locked up hard and i've had high app cpu usage withough having memory cardin at all [22:01] VerxHome: some of them anyway [22:01] VerxHome: what apps did you have installed? [22:01] Cloudchaser: through several reboots [22:02] asterick: :~( I want mine now. [22:02] VerxHome: I haven't had my Z lock at all [22:02] asterick: Then I can start writting software for it. :D [22:02] Cloudchaser: i installed vnc, having some problems with that [22:02] VerxHome: oh [22:02] Cloudchaser: tkc calendar didn't install without errors [22:02] VerxHome: vnc supposedly is a no go on OZ [22:02] VerxHome: yeah, there are bugs in tkc calendar [22:02] whardier: heh? [22:02] Cloudchaser: tkc addressbook installed ok as did editor [22:02] Cloudchaser: calendar installed fine last time [22:02] VerxHome: you have to remove everything from the tkcPIM directory [22:02] VerxHome: and then calendar installs [22:03] VerxHome: or you can install calendar first [22:03] VerxHome: then it works [22:03] VerxHome: :) [22:03] Cloudchaser: oh [22:03] Cloudchaser: anyway there seems to be a whole buncha little issues this go round [22:03] Cloudchaser: all thos updates maybe [22:03] ljp_studio: the prob with tkccalender is that it tries to overwrite the default calender, which ipkg doesnt like [22:03] Cloudchaser: kergoth made new vnc ipkg [22:04] Cloudchaser: i had already uninstalled default calendar though [22:05] VerxHome: can anyone tell me definitively the difference in speed when you launch an app from SD versus mtdram? [22:05] VerxHome: like the same app, what is the speed difference installed one way versus the other? [22:06] ***: Relayer (~zic@pcp01358213pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net) has joined the channel [22:07] whardier: I have 4 joysticks.. 2 keyboards, 2 mice, 3 monitors and a PDAw/cradle on my desktop [22:07] whardier: I need a bigger desk [22:07] VerxHome: man [22:07] EkePoetry: D'oh. I can't remember. [22:07] VerxHome: now that I have this other CF card in [22:07] VerxHome: I can reliably suspend [22:07] VerxHome: and my resume is like instant on [22:07] EkePoetry: What do you get when you multiply volts by amp-hours? [22:07] VerxHome: my apps launch really zippy [22:07] * VerxHome is quite happy [22:07] Cloudchaser: ok got vnc to work [22:07] Speedy2: bbl [22:07] ***: Speedy2 has quit IRC ("Leaving") [22:07] VerxHome: Cloudchaser: Really? [22:07] Cloudchaser: had to uninstall, reinstall then calibrate as normal [22:08] VerxHome: so you re-ran calibrate? [22:08] VerxHome: and then it worked? [22:08] Cloudchaser: i thought kergoth was trying to tie together z calibrate and vnc calibrate so we didn't have to calibrate vnc [22:08] jbardin: seen warmi [22:08] Cloudchaser: but that didn't seem to work [22:08] Cloudchaser: vnc has its own calibration [22:08] VerxHome: ahhh [22:08] jbardin: urg... what is the bot syntax [22:08] Cloudchaser: you have to install vnc, reboot, then the first thing you have to do after reboot is tap upper left corner and lower right corner [22:09] asterick: whard: about the desk space... At least your computer doesn't take up 40% of your floor space. [22:09] asterick: (mine excluding the chair I sit in) [22:10] ***: extremis has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [22:16] VerxHome: asterick: Where the heck do you live? [22:17] VerxHome: ok [22:17] VerxHome: the only thing I have left really [22:17] VerxHome: is to figure out scummvm [22:17] VerxHome: anyone here using scummvm on OZ? [22:17] asterick: Verx: Middle of the US. [22:18] asterick: Verx: I have to 2 floor input pads (10 buttons each), which are about 3"x3" [22:18] asterick: with my bed, and books, and TV, etc, I have very little floor space. [22:18] VerxHome: what do you use the floor input pads for? [22:18] asterick: DDR Sims. [22:19] VerxHome: ? [22:19] asterick: Verx: http://www.dynamik1.com/ddrmaniax/DWI/links.html [22:19] asterick: Think the NES power pad, only you have to press the buttons it tells you to, on beat with music. [22:20] asterick: It's sounds like the dumbest concept ever, but it's really addicting. [22:20] VerxHome: so like dance dance revolution then [22:20] asterick: hince the DDR sims. [22:20] VerxHome: oh [22:20] asterick: (dance dance revoltion simulator) [22:20] * VerxHome missed the DDR reference [22:20] VerxHome: rofl [22:21] Com[Plex]: verx, I wasnt, but I could throw it on there really quick [22:21] Com[Plex]: does it have problems? [22:21] VerxHome: complex: I was just trying to figure out how to pull up the menu [22:21] VerxHome: it doesn't seem to work under OZ [22:21] Com[Plex]: hmm. [22:21] Com[Plex]: wich game? [22:21] VerxHome: I haven't tried it on the sharp rom [22:21] VerxHome: I tried two [22:21] VerxHome: atlantis [22:21] VerxHome: and monkey island 1 [22:21] Com[Plex]: I played dott to the end on the sharp rom [22:21] Com[Plex]: havent tried those two [22:22] Com[Plex]: let me test, I need a break from this stupid lirc thing anyway [22:22] VerxHome: heh [22:22] VerxHome: ok [22:22] VerxHome: but on the sharp rom [22:23] VerxHome: you just pressed the menu button [22:23] VerxHome: and it worked [22:23] VerxHome: right? [22:23] Com[Plex]: uh.. [22:23] TheMasterMind1: has anyone actually gotten opie-remote working? [22:23] Com[Plex]: no one I know TheMasterMind1 [22:23] VerxHome: like [22:23] jbardin: 'seen [22:23] Com[Plex]: I think it was the menu button. yes. [22:23] VerxHome: how did you save your games complex? [22:23] jbardin: arrg [22:23] VerxHome: ok [22:23] Com[Plex]: hang on [22:23] VerxHome: well, I can't find a way to do it at all on OZ [22:23] VerxHome: :(( [22:24] Com[Plex]: have you tried hitting the cancel button? [22:24] Com[Plex]: I think I hit the cancel button to retrieve the samvegame menu [22:24] ***: Relayer has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [22:24] asterick: GTG [22:24] ***: asterick has quit IRC () [22:24] TheMasterMind1: so what are some good games to play on the Z [22:25] Com[Plex]: vectoroids is awesome [22:25] VerxHome: the scummvm games look to be the absolute best [22:25] Com[Plex]: but its erally slow under OZ [22:25] VerxHome: complex: You really think so? [22:25] Com[Plex]: DOTT RULES [22:25] Com[Plex]: but you want to wear headphones so you dont miss any of the spoken stuff. even tho its got text subtitles. [22:26] Com[Plex]: yeah, vectoroids is awesome. [22:26] Com[Plex]: its jsut about 25% slower on oz [22:26] ***: alex1241551`4 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [22:27] TheMasterMind1: are the scummvm games fast enough? [22:27] Com[Plex]: on the sharp rom it ran great, but im abuot to test it on OZ [22:27] VerxHome: they run FLAWLESSLY [22:27] VerxHome: hrn [22:27] VerxHome: no sound on OZ [22:27] VerxHome: I hadn't tried it until now [22:27] VerxHome: no sound at all [22:28] VerxHome: I have the headphones plugged in [22:28] VerxHome: :( [22:28] Com[Plex]: uh. did yuo start it with the right command line? [22:28] VerxHome: yes [22:28] VerxHome: oh [22:28] VerxHome: crap [22:28] VerxHome: heh [22:28] VerxHome: see [22:28] Com[Plex]: the command line is important [22:28] VerxHome: I have an opie-sh launcher for it that I wrote [22:28] VerxHome: and the ipaq's speaker is so frigging loud [22:29] VerxHome: I always set scummvm to 0 for volume [22:29] ***: brent has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [22:29] VerxHome: and that was about right [22:29] VerxHome: apparently on OZ, 0 is OFF [22:29] ***: EkePoetry has quit IRC ("Hey, where's the cream filling?!") [22:29] Com[Plex]: anyone nkow why, when you mute the volume on OZm, when the mediaplayers playing, that it stops playing, and when you resume the sound it starts the enxt track? [22:30] VerxHome: there we go [22:30] VerxHome: sound! [22:30] ***: Bala (~ryanr@hsdbsk142-165-143-98.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined the channel [22:30] VerxHome: :) [22:30] Com[Plex]: :> [22:31] VerxHome: I feel like I could [22:31] VerxHome: like I could [22:31] VerxHome: Like I could [22:31] VerxHome: TAKE ON THE WORLD! [22:32] Com[Plex]: lol [22:32] Com[Plex]: yeah man :> [22:32] Com[Plex]: yuo got a menu yet? [22:32] VerxHome: heh [22:32] VerxHome: nope [22:32] VerxHome: no menu [22:32] Com[Plex]: I jsut locked up my friggin z [22:32] Com[Plex]: lol [22:33] VerxHome: see, without the menu [22:33] Com[Plex]: hit cancel' [22:33] VerxHome: I can't save the game [22:33] VerxHome: cancel only skips the cut scenes [22:33] Com[Plex]: I had this problem with an old ve4rsion. what ersion are you using? [22:33] Com[Plex]: scummvm_0.2-2_arm.ipk? [22:33] VerxHome: yup [22:33] VerxHome: that is the one [22:33] Com[Plex]: rrrrreally.. [22:33] TheMasterMind1: hmm [22:34] ***: zaurusMan (~chatzilla@12-253-141-182.client.attbi.com) has joined the channel [22:34] Com[Plex]: grumble [22:34] Com[Plex]: gotta rebvoot my z [22:34] ***: zaurusMan has left the channel [22:36] Com[Plex]: "while no one will take your place in her heart, two tennis instructors, a bassist and several of your friends have taken your place in her other areas." [22:37] Cloudchaser: grrr [22:37] Cloudchaser: this cpu thing is frustrating [22:37] ***: KallDrexx has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [22:38] Com[Plex]: lol [22:41] ***: brent (~brent@64.178.96.195) has joined the channel [22:46] VerxHome: ok, well, time to read a bit of my book [22:46] VerxHome: and then sleep [22:46] VerxHome: see y'all [22:48] ***: Xenith (xenith@AC905653.ipt.aol.com) has joined the channel [22:57] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [23:08] wezzel: I got the Linux compiler for the Z working. Are there any example projects I could look at? [23:08] ***: cutm has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [23:09] * whardier breaks in his joystick [23:09] whardier: heh [23:09] Com[Plex]: verx [23:09] Com[Plex]: dott works perfectly for me [23:10] Com[Plex]: hitting the cancel button cancels the scene [23:10] ***: warmi has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [23:11] Com[Plex]: wait [23:13] ***: MEGA|Home (~megastep@home.megastep.org) has joined the channel [23:15] ***: glennn (~gjward@user-0c937g8.cable.mindspring.com) has joined the channel [23:21] ***: [DrEvil] has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [23:26] Com[Plex]: looks like the application keys are screwed up. [23:26] ***: Cloudchaser has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [23:26] ***: goshawk` (~goshawk@sdf-eu.org) has joined the channel [23:26] ***: goshawk` has quit IRC (Client Quit) [23:27] Com[Plex]: I think you were supposed to hit one of those to make the menu come up. [23:27] Com[Plex]: now I cant remember wich [23:27] ***: moot has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [23:27] ***: goshawk` (~goshawk@ip136.c214.blk2.bel.nwlink.com) has joined the channel [23:27] ***: goshawk` has quit IRC (Client Quit) [23:28] ***: goshawk` (~goshawk@ip136.c214.blk2.bel.nwlink.com) has joined the channel [23:28] ***: goshawk` has quit IRC (Client Quit) [23:29] W|GGL|T: could someone send me a test message to ron@hot.rr.com? [23:30] ***: goshawk` (~goshawk@sdf-eu.org) has joined the channel [23:30] ***: goshawk` has quit IRC (Client Quit) [23:35] ***: goshawk` (~goshawk@sdf-eu.org) has joined the channel [23:35] ***: goshawk` has quit IRC (Client Quit) [23:37] whardier: http://segfault.bogomip.com/more_input.jpg [23:38] ***: wezzel has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [23:38] whardier: my desk [23:39] ***: goshawk` (goshawk@goshawk.dialup.access.net) has joined the channel [23:39] goshawk`: sheesh. wtf was with that. [23:39] goshawk`: :P [23:40] ***: msdina (~max@213.247.143.105) has joined the channel [23:40] ***: kendrick2 (~kendrick@dcn242-165.dcn.davis.ca.us) has joined the channel [23:40] Com[Plex]: wigglit : message sent [23:40] jmhodges: goshawk`: was wonderimng myself [23:40] ***: glennn has left the channel [23:41] kendrick2: re [23:41] ***: phatcat (~chatzilla@adsl-34-207-93.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined the channel [23:41] jmhodges: goddamn whardier [23:41] jmhodges: jesus christ! [23:41] jmhodges: :D [23:41] whardier: heh [23:42] ***: User_ (~User@ool-182d17eb.dyn.optonline.net) has joined the channel [23:43] ***: User_ is now known as angry [23:43] angry: ahh hello [23:43] jmhodges: hehe [23:43] Com[Plex]: what about it? [23:43] Com[Plex]: moo? [23:43] angry: anyone signed up for the zaurus mobile program? :) [23:43] kendrick2: no CDPC service in my area [23:43] kendrick2: "roaming chgs will apply" :( [23:44] angry: it's available where i am [23:44] kendrick2: plus, it's frickin' expensive (I'm pretty broke - and working at worldcom, so who knows how long i'll remain employed) [23:44] angry: but i'm not going to get it ;) [23:44] angry: way too expensive [23:44] goshawk`: jmh: the client kept bailing on me. oddly, just when I entered this channel. [23:44] angry: although the unlimited transfer sounds good [23:44] angry: but CDPC goes so damn slow [23:45] angry: for $40 a month i'd want that to include some cell phone minutes too or something :-P [23:45] goshawk`: jmh: so I am not sure how this channel differs from all the others. :P [23:47] ***: msdina has left the channel [23:50] jmhodges: interesting [23:50] W|GGL|T: Com[Plex]: thanks for the test message [23:53] Com[Plex]: np :> [23:53] ***: klklkl (klklkl@12-235-101-172.client.attbi.com) has joined the channel [23:55] goshawk`: angry: the fact that it uses the verizon network is a real downer for me :P [23:56] angry: goshawk`: why's that? =] [23:56] NeoTron: ok, so now I have the A300 connected to my windows box [23:56] NeoTron: always something [23:56] NeoTron: kind of nice - plug it in and "browse" it [23:56] angry: NeoTron: you got an A300?? :) how is it? [23:57] kendrick2: hey neo [23:57] NeoTron: through Japanese contacts. :) [23:57] goshawk`: in my area (and NYS in general), verizon are really are a top sleaze [23:57] goshawk`: are really are = are really [23:57] NeoTron: unfortunately no luck in Linux [23:58] goshawk`: I heard you also needed to load some additional software to use the network [23:58] goshawk`: which kind of stinks [00:00] ***: hunger_ (foobar@pD954AD8D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [00:06] whardier: hmm [00:06] ***: cutm (~rjp@adsl-20-123-165.chs.bellsouth.net) has joined the channel [00:06] * whardier conciders using jslaunch with an 8 axis 26 button joystick [00:10] angry: i say sharp mobile has a networking/QT challenge - and you get to win service for a couple of years ;) [00:10] kendrick2: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/photos/junk/tashayarsrevenge.jpg [00:11] jmhodges: w..t .. f [00:11] * jmhodges is so confused [00:11] kendrick2: hahahaha [00:13] ***: klklkl has quit IRC () [00:13] jmhodges: :) [00:14] ***: hunger has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [00:15] kendrick2: it's yar's revenge [00:15] kendrick2: except... tasha yar, from star trek... [00:15] kendrick2: not the little fly bug yar from the game ;) [00:15] ***: phatcat has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [00:15] ***: Bala has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [00:19] ***: pariah (~zic@ip68-10-251-7.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined the channel [00:19] ***: pariah has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [00:22] ***: kaygee has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [00:31] ***: Bala (Ryan@hsdbsk142-165-143-98.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined the channel [00:31] * whardier basks in input [00:33] ***: Onyx4|away is now known as Onyx4 [00:34] Onyx4: im back [00:34] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [00:34] Onyx4: moo1 hey [00:35] Onyx4: moot oops [00:35] WormAFK: ahoy ye muggles! [00:35] WormAFK: hehe [00:35] ***: WormAFK is now known as DaWorm [00:35] Onyx4: looking at some opie programs, there is opie-sheet, opie-tableviewer, opie-spreadsheat , are they all the same? [00:38] moot: ? [00:38] moot: dunno, i thought the same thing :/ [00:39] Onyx4: I installed two of em and they are like excel you know :) [00:39] Onyx4: dont know if one is better than the other [00:41] kendrick2: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/photos/junk/tashayarsrevenge-cover.jpg [00:41] ***: rikkus (~rik@modem-1482.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined the channel [00:44] ***: moot has quit IRC () [00:44] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [00:49] ***: jmhodges is now known as jmh|homework [00:49] * jmh|homework is away: homework goddamnit [00:56] * kendrick2 is away: food & daily show! [00:58] ***: Cloudchaser (~cloudchas@ool-182dd057.dyn.optonline.net) has joined the channel [00:59] ***: raster has quit IRC ("Blum Blum Blum...") [01:00] ***: raster (~raster@flu11888-1.gw.connect.com.au) has joined the channel [01:03] DaWorm: tasha yars revenge? [01:06] ***: SuperDuperShant (SuperDuper@adsl-66.51.221.152.dslextreme.com) has joined the channel [01:07] whardier: ? [01:08] SuperDuperShant: anyone know is there is a reversi prot for the zaurus, if not how can I port the KDE game libs to the zaurus [01:14] goshawk`: g'day all [01:14] ***: goshawk` has quit IRC ("...") [01:17] ***: oGMo has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [01:23] ***: ibz has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [01:24] ***: moot has quit IRC () [01:25] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [01:28] ***: ibz (~ibraheem@host217-39-5-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined the channel [01:29] ***: mooot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [01:30] ***: mooot has quit IRC (Client Quit) [01:33] ***: ibz has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [01:33] ***: jmh|homework has quit IRC ("Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.") [01:34] NeoTron: hrm [01:34] NeoTron: this is so strance [01:34] NeoTron: SDL can open the sound device and I can 'cat' to and from it [01:35] NeoTron: but my own library fails to open it [01:35] NeoTron: wtf [01:35] ***: oGMo (~rpav@ip33.pm3-2.eli.du.nwlink.com) has joined the channel [01:35] NeoTron: and I get EBUSY back [01:36] ***: SuperDuperShant has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [01:36] NeoTron: aha [01:37] NeoTron: I have to choose write or read [01:37] NeoTron: single duplex audio [01:39] ***: Onyx4|Z (beurk@adsl-63-194-216-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined the channel [01:39] ***: br33zy has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [01:39] ***: Onyx4|Z has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [01:41] ***: exs (~exs@216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net) has joined the channel [01:41] exs: kergoth? [01:41] whardier: dare you wake the delicate genius? [01:41] whardier: that'll be 20 push ups [01:41] exs: heya whardier [01:42] whardier: hiya [01:42] whardier: mind if I go sleep now? [01:42] exs: what is the correct procedure to ipkg upgrade? [01:42] ***: raster has quit IRC ("Blum Blum Blum...") [01:42] exs: i'm getting illegal seek errors on upgrade [01:42] exs: example packages: atd [01:43] exs: there are a few more [01:43] exs: i'm trying to do this from 9.5.5 [01:45] exs: heh silly zaurus suspended [01:45] exs: i cant see much from tkcjabber [01:45] exs: am i still connected? [01:46] whardier: http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/firulligsys.html [01:46] ***: MEGA|Home has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [01:46] whardier: night! [01:46] exs: hrm [01:46] exs: whardier? [01:49] ***: ToyKeeper (pctvyk@12-252-36-56.client.attbi.com) has joined the channel [01:49] DaWorm: game boy advance? [01:49] exs: heh [01:50] * ToyKeeper wants to bug kergoth about the ipkg version in OZ... [01:50] ToyKeeper: But I'm probably the only person who cares, so I guess it doesn't matter much. [01:51] DaWorm: hrmmm those ps2 controllers look like something that came out of nasa [01:51] DaWorm: or an f1 team [01:51] DaWorm: too bad kergoth isn't online today [01:51] ***: kolla (~kolla@firda.uninett.no) has joined the channel [01:55] ***: tweek (~ryan@66-214-74-175.mb-cres.charterpipeline.net) has joined the channel [01:55] ***: DaWorm has quit IRC () [01:56] tweek: how come i have to reboot my Z everytime i want to connect it to my computer (linux)? [01:56] tweek: it's very strange [02:02] NeoTron: no clue [02:04] tweek: it's quite annoying [02:05] ***: mooot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [02:05] ***: mooot has quit IRC (Client Quit) [02:05] mutexer: what does the Z come with? Power cord? sync cable? [02:06] moot: cradle [02:06] moot: and charger [02:07] moot: charger plugs into cradle [02:07] moot: or the unit directly [02:07] mutexer: cool [02:07] NeoTron: the A300 lacks a cradle and I cant' say I miss it [02:07] moot: pfff a300 [02:07] mutexer: the dev one with 32mb memory...it come with that stuff? [02:07] moot: ibot: a300 [02:07] ibot: a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale [02:07] ***: DaWorm (DaWorm@202.57.71.238) has joined the channel [02:07] NeoTron: mutexer: yes [02:08] mutexer: cool [02:08] tweek: mutexer: i just bought the dev version [02:08] NeoTron: damn I wish I could get USB networking to function under Linux with the A300. :-/ [02:08] mutexer: I hope mine comes tomorrow...IM waiting to try it out\ [02:08] tweek: mutexer: (5000D) on ebay for $250 - great deal [02:08] mutexer: I got mine free [02:08] tweek: what exactly is the A300? [02:08] tweek: mutexer: how? [02:08] mutexer: well..kinda free...I had to develop an app [02:08] moot: erm [02:08] ***: Speedy2 (johnny@max-fw-165.dallas.net) has joined the channel [02:08] moot: i just linked you [02:08] mutexer: the zaurus challenge [02:08] tweek: mutexer: oh, gotcha [02:08] tweek: yeah [02:08] moot: its horrid :/ :P [02:08] tweek: what is it? [02:09] ***: Bala has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [02:09] moot: what is what [02:09] moot: a300? [02:09] moot: GOTO THAT LINK [02:09] tweek: nevermind [02:09] tweek: yeah, i'm sorry dude :) [02:09] ***: Speedy2 is now known as S3maph0r3 [02:09] S3maph0r3: F3ar! [02:09] moot: im so tired ;( [02:09] ***: S3maph0r3 is now known as Speedy2 [02:09] mutexer: its ugly [02:09] moot: no damn kb or cf [02:09] moot: pfff [02:09] mutexer: looks fake [02:10] jbardin: you can call me all [02:10] jbardin: er al [02:10] mutexer: yeah I like the built in keyboard on the zaurus [02:10] * _kuro5hin wishes he could get ad hoc working [02:10] _kuro5hin: as he has no ap [02:11] mutexer: is the thing at the bottom in the middle of the zaurus like a D-pad on a console..or is it something else? [02:11] ***: MEGA|Home (~megastep@home.megastep.org) has joined the channel [02:11] ***: exs has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [02:12] moot: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=66 [02:12] moot: anyone know if that works with OZ ok? [02:12] moot: mutexer: yes [02:12] mutexer: cool...I was hoping so [02:13] moot: hey who owns ibot? [02:14] mutexer: someone should make a widescreen quake port on the zaurus [02:14] moot: it plays like shit anywho :/ [02:14] mutexer: it does? [02:14] mutexer: that sucks [02:15] moot: doom and zraycast are fine though [02:15] mutexer: is wolfenstein 3d ported to it? [02:15] _kuro5hin: lol [02:15] moot: ... [02:15] moot: of course [02:15] moot: yay my mouse just died. [02:15] _kuro5hin: quake is for sure [02:16] DaWorm: the doom port rocks man [02:16] moot: gotta reboot [02:16] moot: brb [02:17] ***: moot has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [02:17] mutexer: will it work with doom 2? [02:17] _kuro5hin: some quake is available for dl [02:17] _kuro5hin: all i know [02:18] _kuro5hin: linux is the game i play [02:18] mutexer: I have doom 2 and ultimate doom...I never got the actual orginal doom [02:18] _kuro5hin: true life [02:18] DaWorm: doom 2 works fin [02:18] DaWorm: e [02:18] DaWorm: i don't have the first doom either [02:18] mutexer: it use doom source code? [02:18] DaWorm: it uses the prboom engine [02:19] DaWorm: you just need to load the wads [02:19] mutexer: I didnt think there were much if any differences in the code to doom and doom 2 [02:19] DaWorm: now if only it can play the other id games like hexen [02:19] mutexer: it looked and played the same [02:19] mutexer: hexen source available? [02:19] mutexer: heretic was a cool game..I wished it worked [02:20] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [02:20] moot: hrm [02:20] moot: all fixed [02:22] DaWorm: i dunno [02:25] moot: dammmit [02:26] moot: downloading that stupid update fudged my z up [02:26] moot: cant get on the net or use terminal [02:26] DaWorm: 2.38? [02:26] moot: no [02:26] moot: im on oz [02:27] moot: and have a 5000d :P [02:27] DaWorm: ahhh [02:27] moot: i updated abt package [02:27] DaWorm: i have yet to ride the bullet [02:27] moot: yargh [02:27] moot: god dammit another flash, im getting sick of doing this :( [02:28] ToyKeeper: Can you cat /dev/mtdblock/whatever > /mnt/cf/root.img and then restore it using the built-in reflasher? [02:29] ToyKeeper: Er, rather, will the Z's reflashing functionality work on images copied directly from flash? [02:30] ToyKeeper: Hmm. I guess I'll just try it tomorrow. [02:30] ToyKeeper: Time to sleep now, methinks. [02:30] moot: reflashing [02:30] moot: argh. [02:33] ***: JasonNJ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [02:36] NeoTron: cool, A300 bug #1 fixed [02:36] ***: rikkus has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [02:37] Speedy2: I'm sorry I have to ask in here, but does anyone have XP? I need "bootcfg" to repair my Lose2000 installation [02:38] _kuro5hin: huh? [02:38] _kuro5hin: what is xp? [02:38] Speedy2: Common, need some help here. [02:38] _kuro5hin: i haveno clue [02:38] Speedy2: Windows XP. [02:39] _kuro5hin: oic. [02:39] _kuro5hin: i haveno clue [02:39] _kuro5hin: never ran it [02:46] ***: mutexer has left the channel [02:54] * W|GGL|T is away: I'm busy or asleep [03:02] ***: oGMo has quit IRC ("zzz") [03:06] ***: rikkus (~rik@modem-4017.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined the channel [03:08] NeoTron: http://www.linuxfaq.de/f/cache/442.html [03:09] moot: read that a while ago :> [03:10] moot: funny, doubt its true tho :P [03:10] NeoTron: who knopws [03:10] NeoTron: funny reading never the less [03:11] moot: lol [03:11] moot: did you see that pie movie [03:11] moot: gates was walking by and got a big cream pie in the face [03:11] DaWorm: hehehe [03:11] moot: you see all these cameras and stuff [03:11] moot: then FLOOMPP [03:11] moot: in the face, he lookd as if he was about to cry [03:11] NeoTron: indeed [03:11] NeoTron: old classic [03:11] moot: and all these security guards swarmed :) [03:11] moot: id do something like that [03:12] moot: but with a rope [03:12] moot: id swing by him [03:21] ***: prox has quit IRC (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) [03:27] ***: rikkus_ (~rik@modem-1168.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined the channel [03:30] Speedy2: Lol [03:30] ***: sig_ (~sig@h-64-105-67-92.STTNWAHO.covad.net) has joined the channel [03:38] ***: tweek has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [03:39] ***: Mickey|away is now known as mickeyl [03:42] ***: sig has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [03:44] ***: imm (~imm@213.189.143.220) has joined the channel [03:44] imm: hi [03:44] ***: rikkus has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [03:48] ***: moot has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [04:00] ***: glasseyes_work (~xchat@195.74.108.118) has joined the channel [04:00] ***: cutm has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [04:06] ***: cutm (~rjp@adsl-20-123-165.chs.bellsouth.net) has joined the channel [04:09] imm: quite calm here :) [04:10] Speedy2: NOISE [04:11] imm: cool, thanks :) [04:12] imm: Sugar: make me a coffee [04:12] * Sugar pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to imm. [04:13] Speedy2: sugar: Make me a cookie [04:14] imm: sugar: dont be unfrendly to Speedy2 ! [04:14] Speedy2: sugar: be nice to my friend imm [04:14] Speedy2: sugar: sex [04:15] Speedy2: sugar: goto hell [04:15] imm: Sugar: make me a blowjob [04:15] Speedy2: lol [04:15] Speedy2: Aren't you married? [04:15] imm: no [04:15] imm: not at all [04:15] imm: ! [04:15] Speedy2: ok [04:15] Speedy2: Sorry [04:16] Speedy2: sugar: continue [04:16] imm: to late [04:16] Speedy2: heh [04:17] imm: did you make the challenge ? [04:17] Speedy2: ?? [04:19] ***: Cloudchaser has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [04:19] Speedy2: Make the challenge? [04:19] Wembly: there was some software writing challange. [04:19] Wembly: or somesuch [04:19] Wembly: i dunno exactly what [04:20] Speedy2: Ah [04:23] ***: George- (~Test@m196-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [04:23] George-: I am back! =P [04:23] Speedy2: We missed you [04:23] Speedy2: Sugar: make George- sex [04:23] Sugar: Yeah right, luser! [04:23] George-: wtf? [04:23] George-: =P [04:23] Speedy2: sugar: Be nice to George- [04:24] George-: Three days without internet is torture! :) [04:24] Speedy2: sugar: Make George- a pepsi with a coke twist [04:24] George-: Sugar: make me a lemonade [04:24] * Sugar grabs a bottle of lemonade, pours it into a glass, which she hands George-. [04:25] Speedy2: sugar: Make sugar sex [04:25] George-: bleh [04:25] George-: your sick ;) [04:25] George-: s/your/you're [04:25] George-: I'm gonna go out and buy Jaguar today [04:26] George-: I have a £50 voucher for a department store :) [04:26] George-: I hope they have jaguar, heh [04:26] Speedy2: uhhh [04:26] Speedy2: A Jaguar WHAT? [04:26] George-: Mac OS X 10.2 [04:26] Speedy2: A [04:26] Speedy2: Ahh [04:26] Speedy2: That Jaguar [04:26] Speedy2: Give me a TiBook [04:26] Speedy2: I'll appreciate ti [04:26] George-: No [04:26] George-: You're not getting mine!!!! [04:27] ***: wyvern has quit IRC (Success) [04:27] ***: wyvern (~supergibs@dsl-65-184-82-141.telocity.com) has joined the channel [04:28] George-: hrmm [04:28] George-: chouimat gave up the nessus client [04:28] imm: nope [04:28] George-: He's been working night and day on that for ages :( [04:29] imm: i forced him to send in, and it looks good for him to get his Z :) [04:29] George-: imm: cool [04:29] George-: imm: I was like "i'll tell sniper, dammit" [04:29] George-: ;) [04:30] Speedy2: Nessus client? [04:30] imm: some network security stuff [04:30] George-: Topic for #mklinux is This isn't about MkLinux. We're as supprised as you are that they put out a new ISO... [04:30] George-: rofl [04:30] Speedy2: Ah [04:30] ***: DrBoB (rwill@max01-sc-08.sc.anc.net) has joined the channel [04:31] ***: rikkus_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [04:31] George-: imm: What was wrong with his client? [04:31] imm: George-: did you get your Z yet ? [04:31] George-: I'm giving up everything crash here [04:31] George-: Mathieu [04:31] George-: That's an email I got [04:31] George-: imm: no [04:31] George-: imm: I have my old Z tho' ;) [04:31] imm: George-: don't know, i just said he should at least try and send it in [04:32] George-: imm: that's what I said [04:32] George-: did sniper say anything about my app? [04:32] George-: I've had no reply for *ages* [04:33] imm: George-: when did you sent in your beta ? [04:33] George-: on thursday ;) [04:33] George-: E-Mail Forwarding Patented, PTO Sued [04:33] George-: wth? [04:33] ***: pdq (~pdq@pitbull.hmi.de) has joined the channel [04:34] imm: George-: i got an email yesterday, they got my app and will check it in the next days [04:35] Speedy2: I wonder how many people are doing this contest just to get a free Z [04:35] Speedy2: That is, will people actually follow through and make their programs full-fledged [04:37] George-: imm: I got that, too [04:37] George-: Speedy2: I will, when I have time [04:37] George-: Speedy2: that's my prob atm, I'm going back to school on sep 3rd [04:38] glasseyes_work: Speedy2: me too, time permitting [04:38] Speedy2: Yeah...unfortunetly I wonder how many WILL follow through [04:38] George-: Speedy2: heh [04:39] George-: Speedy2: you're *forced* to follow thru [04:39] George-: Speedy2: but I doubt people will :( [04:39] Speedy2: How are you forced? [04:39] Speedy2: Sharp will demand it back? [04:39] Speedy2: I doubt people will too [04:39] Speedy2: Most of the apps they are writing are mickey mouse, except for those who already have really coolio programs [04:39] Speedy2: (NeoTron, etc) [04:40] ***: jonathan (~jonathan@216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net) has joined the channel [04:40] imm: Speedy2: benmeyer sayd something about 200 entries [04:40] Speedy2: So...? [04:41] jonathan: anyone here try tkcJabber? [04:42] jonathan: irc (obviously) seems to work but no luck with aim [04:43] DaWorm: hmmm [04:43] DaWorm: does anyone know where i can get some qpf fonts without the ipkg hassle [04:44] ***: jonathan has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [04:49] George-: back [04:49] George-: Speedy2: mickey mouse? [04:49] Speedy2: You know...silly programs. [04:51] George-: oh [04:51] George-: like mine? :) [04:52] imm: Speedy2: you allways could make better ones :) [04:53] Speedy2: I don't know what your program does George [04:53] George-: Speedy2: HTML Editor ;) [04:53] Speedy2: And I abhor C++ programming...I won't do any apps if I am forced to use C++ [04:53] George-: Speedy2: on a Z, hahaha [04:53] Speedy2: George-: Yeah, that's silly. Obviously going for the free Z there. [04:53] George-: Speedy2: nah [04:54] George-: Speedy2: it's the only thing on the list I could do ;0 [04:54] imm: Speedy2: java ? [04:55] Speedy2: GOD NO [04:55] Speedy2: C [04:55] imm: Speedy2: then good luck :) [04:55] George-: Speedy2: haha [04:55] George-: Speedy2: Have fun with GTK [04:55] Speedy2: Well, that's why my contributions will tend to be on a lower level, like a new bootloader [04:55] * George- sniggers [04:55] Speedy2: GTK my ass [04:55] Speedy2: Tcl/Tk is the way I'd like to go [04:55] Speedy2: But anyway [04:55] George-: rofl [04:56] * Speedy2 beats George- [04:56] * George- brings out the cricket bat [04:56] * George- smashes the living hell outa Speedy2 [04:56] * Speedy2 brings out the Mack truck [04:56] * Speedy2 drives over George- and leaves no evidence [04:56] * Speedy2 backs up over George- [04:56] George-: lmao [04:56] * Speedy2 moves forward on George- [04:56] George-: uh. i have no arse left :) [04:57] * Speedy2 acknowledges George-'s atoms are now "one" with the ground [04:57] George-: haha [04:57] * George- brings out a great big C++ sign, and whams Speedy2 into the ground with it, like a hammer [04:58] * Speedy2 points out that in his Mack truck, George- would have a hard time approachign Speedy2 [04:58] George-: lol [04:59] * George- eats the mack truck [05:00] Speedy2: Nope [05:00] George-: yup [05:01] George-: [05:01] Speedy2: heh [05:02] ***: Cloudchaser (~cloudchas@ool-182dd057.dyn.optonline.net) has joined the channel [05:03] Speedy2: God I want some amoxcicilin [05:03] George-: ? [05:05] Speedy2: The pink anti-biotic liquid [05:07] * imm hands Speedy2 some booze [05:07] Speedy2: No [05:08] Speedy2: Amoxcilin is AWESOME. If you've never had, then you've been severely deprived [05:08] imm: better than booze ? [05:08] George-: Speedy2: haha [05:09] * imm hands Speedy2 some mescalin [05:09] Speedy2: imm: Dude, the amoxcilin (liquid) is AMAZING. It's literally one of the best candies I know. [05:09] ***: burtonator (~burton@adsl-67-112-30-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined the channel [05:10] George-: haha [05:10] Speedy2: I'm not kidding. I promise, if you talk to someone else who's had it, they'll confirm. [05:10] imm: Speedy2: ok, i will get me a pneumonia this winter :) [05:10] Speedy2: I used to LOVE getting pneumonia [05:10] ***: hunger_ is now known as hunger [05:10] George-: rofl [05:10] Speedy2: Cause you would get the delicious pink medicine and I enjoyed it so much [05:11] * Speedy2 is salivating [05:11] George-: hahaha [05:11] ***: imm is now known as pneumonia [05:11] ***: MEGA|Home has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [05:11] * Speedy2 makes Homer Simpson noises [05:12] * pneumonia is away: food [05:12] Speedy2: Have you guys seen the episode when Homer buys the mattertransporter from Frink? [05:12] Speedy2: He fetches "Cat's Ear Medicine" without realizing it and does "Ohhhhhhhhh (like it's nasty) ...that's good" [05:12] Speedy2: hehehehehe [05:12] DrBoB: bubble gum flavor [05:12] Speedy2: DrBoB: Yes! [05:12] Speedy2: DrBoB: Do you want the Trash-80s? [05:13] DrBoB: nope [05:13] Speedy2: DrBoB: Can you get me some amoxcilin? [05:13] ***: prox (prox@nat.prolixium.com) has joined the channel [05:13] DrBoB: if you are in Arkansas [05:13] DrBoB: i can [05:14] Speedy2: So you're a real MD ? [05:14] Speedy2: DrBoB: Is it possible to get the flavoring agent they use in that medicne, without the anti-biotic properties? [05:14] DrBoB: yes [05:14] Speedy2: <--- is in Texas [05:14] DrBoB: i think you can [05:14] Speedy2: Hrk [05:14] Speedy2: Could you find out for me? [05:15] Speedy2: There's a TRS-80 in it for you. Maybe even a TI-99/4A [05:15] DrBoB: check with a compounding pharmacy [05:15] DrBoB: they can sell it [05:16] Speedy2: Compounding Pharmacy? [05:16] Speedy2: What's that? [05:16] DrBoB: or can find out the source for the flavoring [05:16] DrBoB: look for a pharmacy that does "custom compounding" [05:17] Speedy2: Hrm [05:17] Speedy2: Ok [05:17] DrBoB: they do things like make demerol lollipops [05:18] Speedy2: Woah [05:18] Speedy2: Demerol Lollipop? That sounds dangerous [05:19] DrBoB: yep... but they can be handy if ya got a kid with a bad ear infenction [05:19] DrBoB: infection [05:20] Speedy2: Well, I need amoxicilin [05:20] Speedy2: What's your specialty Dr? [05:20] DrBoB: family practice [05:21] DrBoB: you just want the bubble gum flavor syrup [05:21] Speedy2: Yes. [05:21] Speedy2: Hell yes. [05:21] Speedy2: Family practice, eh? So this is right up your alley sir. [05:22] DrBoB: those compounding pahrmacies also have cherry syrup and pineapple syrup [05:23] DrBoB: they also have lemon flavor syrup... [05:23] Speedy2: Can amoxciclin be made in those flavors? [05:23] Speedy2: Because I want THE amoxcilin flavoring [05:23] DrBoB: they can mix custom-formulae cough syrups and stuff [05:24] Speedy2: hrm [05:24] Speedy2: I should become a pharmacist [05:25] Speedy2: Or marry one [05:25] DrBoB: sure, you can make amolicillin taste like anything ya want.... the original company decided that the bubble gum flavor masked the taste best so that's what they use [05:25] DrBoB: trade name Amoxil [05:26] Speedy2: That bubble gum flavor is the best [05:26] Speedy2: Though I do have to say [05:26] Speedy2: Bioxin is the nastiest anti-biotic I've ever had to take [05:26] DrBoB: liquid Biaxin is nasty (Clarithromycin) [05:27] Speedy2: I've had the yellow pills, it was bad enough [05:27] Speedy2: Leaves the nasty bitter taste on your tounge [05:27] Speedy2: (That's the least of the nasty side effects) [05:27] DrBoB: it has a pina colada flavor syrup...but it has a gritty texture and a wretched aftertaste [05:27] Speedy2: lol [05:27] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [05:28] Speedy2: I recall having some REALLY nasty medicines as a kid, just wondernig why the hell they didn't just leaving the flavoring out of it. [05:28] ***: pagala (pagala@ppp05.ts1-1.Norfolk.visi.net) has joined the channel [05:28] Speedy2: "Grape tastes you kid will love" --- MY AS [05:28] Speedy2: "Grape tastes you kid will love" --- MY ASS [05:28] Speedy2: re pagala [05:29] DrBoB: I prescribed liiquid biaxin exactly once in my life [05:29] Speedy2: To yourself, eh? [05:29] pagala: is it really that bad? [05:30] Speedy2: it has a pina colada flavor syrup...but it has a gritty texture and a wretched aftertaste [05:30] DrBoB: the mother told me her son refused to take it after the first dose.... so I ventured to taste it....and promptly prescribed something else [05:30] Speedy2: lol [05:31] pagala: so anyway ;) [05:31] Speedy2: DrBob: DId you get my /msg ? [05:31] pagala: do zaurus folks all think that wince doesn't exist? [05:32] DrBoB: pity it's so nasty-tasting.... because it's a good antibiotic ..OK..back to the TRUE topic of this channel....the Z and opensource projects [05:32] ***: mark (~mark@m263-mp1.cvx2-b.bre.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [05:33] George-: let's opensource amoxcicilin [05:33] DrBoB: just now [05:33] George-: *g* [05:34] ***: warmi (~wami@dsl-65-184-213-17.telocity.com) has joined the channel [05:34] warmi: hi [05:34] Speedy2: Hi [05:34] George-: heya warm-dude [05:34] Speedy2: We were just discussing Open Source Amoxlin [05:34] warmi: warm-dude ? [05:34] warmi: huh [05:34] warmi: heh [05:34] mark: hi warmi. [05:35] warmi: Speedy2 : it is like 5:30 am .. you are already up ? [05:35] Speedy2: More like haven't slept yet [05:35] warmi: me too .. [05:35] Speedy2: And it's 5:40 AM thank you! ;) [05:35] warmi: it is going to be a nasty day [05:35] Speedy2: How are you friend? [05:35] Speedy2: What's up? [05:35] Speedy2: Why are you still up? [05:35] warmi: well, I just could fall asleep [05:36] Speedy2: Could or could not? [05:36] warmi: spend entire night thinking about stuff etc [05:36] warmi: could not , sorry [05:36] Speedy2: :( [05:36] warmi: but that's ok .. tonight I be dead asleep around 6 pm [05:36] warmi: hehe [05:36] Speedy2: Heh [05:36] warmi: will make it up [05:39] ***: seth (~user@p3E99290D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [05:41] ***: seth has quit IRC (Client Quit) [05:42] ***: zecke (~ich@pD9E7E142.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [05:45] ***: mod (mod@194.221.90.35) has joined the channel [05:45] mod: hello [05:46] warmi: hi [05:46] Speedy2: re [05:46] mod: i got an opie ipaq with troll-ftpd i have installed it on my ipaq but when i say ftpd i get an error:421 Cannot getsockname( STDIN ), errno=88 [05:48] ***: endr has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [05:49] ***: zecke is now known as zecke|hacking [05:50] warmi: zecke: what are you ... hacking ? [05:50] zecke|hacking: OSQL + Nice Iterators for the TodoDB + OContactDB [05:50] George-: warmi: Yeh, MarkNovak's box :) [05:50] * George- ducks [05:51] warmi: hehehe [05:51] warmi: zecke: OSQL ? [05:51] George-: is he still banned? :) [05:51] zecke|hacking: warmi: Opie SQL wrappers.... [05:51] warmi: ah ok [05:51] warmi: how's file requester doing ? [05:51] warmi: any changes recently ? [05:51] zecke|hacking: warmi: the CROSS_REFERENCE branch get's along nice [05:51] warmi: George- was he banned ? [05:52] George-: warmi: yes [05:52] warmi: harlekin told me that you were workin on the opie file requester [05:52] George-: warmi: his ban is still there ;) [05:52] zecke|hacking: warmi: my fscking is too long. Need to get Syncing done for KDE3.1. Switch to a Database. Fix bugs. Go to school. Make my girlfirend happy and the there is OFileSelector [05:52] warmi: hehe [05:52] warmi: yeah ... I know [05:52] warmi: but that's life zecke [05:52] Speedy2: If you have a girlfriend, making her happy should be A #1. [05:52] warmi: it is not only you who is going thru stuff like that :-) [05:52] warmi: hehe [05:53] zecke|hacking: warmi: and my main machine broke and compiling takes years on this old laptop :( [05:53] warmi: yeah ... I just reinstalled everything on my box as well .. [05:53] warmi: installed KDE 3.0.3 ... it is really sweet [05:53] warmi: I mean , we are talking here quality desktop [05:53] warmi: George- who banned him ? [05:54] George-: warmi: neo :) [05:54] Speedy2: I really wish there was a KDE 3.03 for Windows. I know there is a 2xx, but I don't know how much work has been done. [05:54] warmi: Speedy2: KDE for windows ? [05:54] Speedy2: Yeah [05:54] warmi: I thought KDE had tons of X specific code [05:54] warmi: George- : NeoWork of all people ??? [05:54] George-: warmi: Run X on windows :) [05:54] Speedy2: KDE 2.0xx exists for Windows, but it was beta [05:54] Speedy2: warmi: I thought it was mainly tied to Qt. [05:55] warmi: Speedy2 : it is but they have tons of X and POsix stuff in it [05:55] mod: i got an opie ipaq with troll-ftpd i have installed it on my ipaq but when i say ftpd i get an error:421 Cannot getsockname( STDIN ), errno=88 [05:55] warmi: I mean X stuff is mainly in kwm [05:55] Speedy2: Well, I think Cygwin handles most of the POSIX stuff [05:55] kolla: KDE directly on framebuffer would be nice [05:56] kolla: rootless X for DirectFB looks cool [05:56] warmi: rootless X ? [05:56] warmi: what the heck is that ? [05:57] zecke|hacking: warmi: all X Specefic code is #ifdefed for QT/E [05:57] warmi: George- do you know why Neotron banned NOvak ? [05:57] Speedy2: Umm [05:58] Speedy2: If you look at the ban list, it was done by NeoTron [05:58] warmi: yeah [05:58] warmi: but why ? [05:58] Speedy2: Oh [05:58] warmi: you don't see people banned on this channel often [05:58] mod: i got an opie ipaq with troll-ftpd i have installed it on my ipaq but when i say ftpd i get an error:421 Cannot getsockname( STDIN ), errno=88 [05:58] warmi: it is not undernet :-) [05:58] Speedy2: Or Efnet :) [05:58] Speedy2: I am surprised there are actually operators in here now [05:58] Speedy2: I suspect over time this will cause issues [05:59] Speedy2: warmi: Have you ever bought "Ed Venture" drink from "Meijer" ? [05:59] warmi: yeah .. neotron and kergoth will start charging for entering this channel [05:59] Speedy2: heh :) [05:59] warmi: Speedy2 : no, never [05:59] Speedy2: Ah. [05:59] George-: warmi: yes [05:59] ***: Cloudchaser has left the channel [05:59] Speedy2: I have some where water seeped in (it's in powder form). I now eat it as candy. Heh. [06:00] Speedy2: (It's "chunky" powdery stuff) [06:00] ***: Hironimo (~jdoe@62.99.178.161) has joined the channel [06:00] Speedy2: Supposed to mix with water (like Tang) [06:00] warmi: uh ... hehe [06:00] Speedy2: But, I highly suggest it [06:00] Speedy2: It's a cheap candy [06:00] Speedy2: Like a tub of the stuff or $.99 [06:00] warmi: what is it .. like a fruit flavoured stuff ? [06:00] Speedy2: Yeah, basically [06:00] warmi: ah ok .. candy like [06:00] Speedy2: It's like Tang [06:00] Speedy2: You know what that is? [06:00] George-: warmi: They banned MarkNovak cos he was being an ass [06:01] Speedy2: It's a drink mix that's in a can, but in powder form [06:01] warmi: oh yeah ... [06:01] warmi: I bought that ... except it was powdered tea [06:01] Speedy2: But if water seeps in, you're screwed, that apparently happened with this can (that my brother got when he was @ IL) and I've been eating the stuff as candy. [06:01] Speedy2: Heh [06:01] Speedy2: Yeah [06:01] Speedy2: Well the "Ed Venture" drink (Cherry flavor at least) isn't too bad! [06:01] Speedy2: (As far as artificially flavored drinks like that go) [06:01] Speedy2: Hell, it beats Kool-Aide [06:02] Hironimo: hi there... i asked sharp support a question and they just referenced me to zaurus.de... ok, theres a bit to find there, but stll one question is unanswerd: i nowhere found any addon-card that connects to a local are network (without usb) - are there such cards, and where to find them? [06:02] warmi: well...yeah, that is the problem ... I prefer well carbonated minerall water [06:02] Speedy2: Really? [06:02] Speedy2: Soda water? [06:02] Speedy2: heh [06:02] Speedy2: I always found that had a salty taste to it [06:02] Speedy2: Maybe I should be mixing soda with this stuff? [06:02] warmi: Hironimo : of course there are cards like that [06:02] Speedy2: (Wow, what an idea) [06:02] Hironimo: even for coax ethernet? [06:02] warmi: Speedy2 : I mix water with pure fruit juice [06:02] warmi: I am not sure about coax [06:03] Speedy2: warmi: I'm insane [06:03] warmi: I got myself standard LAN ethernet CF card for $40 [06:03] warmi: it works like a charm [06:03] Speedy2: Hironimo: There are 10Base-T to COAX converters [06:03] warmi: Hironimo : hawking technology CF LAN card [06:03] Speedy2: All 10Base-T to AUI [06:03] Speedy2: Also [06:03] Hironimo: do you have links? [06:04] warmi: no,I don't have links anymore but I did originally found it on the web [06:04] Hironimo: ill see [06:04] warmi: http://www.dalantech.com/cf-686.shtml [06:04] warmi: there you go [06:04] Speedy2: warmi: How do you make the fruit juice? Like take a bunch of fruits and blend them? [06:05] warmi: Speedy2 : no .. no way [06:05] Speedy2: Mr. JuiceMan? [06:05] Speedy2: Off the black market? [06:05] warmi: I just buy special "home made" like juice on local ethnic (Polish) grocery store [06:05] Speedy2: Ahh [06:05] Speedy2: You Polish freak! [06:05] warmi: actually, this stuff is imported from Poland [06:05] warmi: very good if a bit pricey [06:06] Speedy2: I import my artificial drink mix from Poland too [06:06] warmi: Speedy2 : yeah . what can I do ... I like Polish food :-) [06:06] Speedy2: It's not very good but still a bit pricey [06:06] Speedy2: warmi: Know any really good vegetarian Polish food? [06:06] Speedy2: Pyrogies, are they Polish? [06:07] warmi: pierogi [06:07] warmi: yeah .... but that is very generic name [06:07] Speedy2: My feelings are hurt. [06:07] Speedy2: Ok, sorry [06:07] warmi: Speedy2 : as far as vegetarian food .. [06:07] warmi: huh .. no , there is NO polish vegetarian food :-) [06:08] Speedy2: Ok [06:08] warmi: beyond standard vegetables and stuff [06:08] Speedy2: I'll file that in my mental "don't eat at this ethic place" [06:08] warmi: well, they make salads etc .. but is all part of meat based dish [06:08] warmi: Speedy2 : hehe [06:08] Speedy2: Yeah [06:08] mark: anyone here have outlook? [06:09] warmi: I don't care .... I like meat and use vegetables only as an add on [06:09] Speedy2: I'll stick to my crappy Ed Venture based candies [06:09] warmi: mark: which outlook ? full blown outlook or express ? [06:09] mark: warmi: full blown, i think, something that exports those .vcf vcard files [06:10] ***: Hironimo has quit IRC ("(I was using Polaris IRC) Version:(2.04) Webpage:(http://members.xoom.com/Polaris_IRC/) Wasted:") [06:10] warmi: yeah .. I use outlook at work all the time .. but I know nothing about vcf files .. I just read email and try no to touch anything else cause if I switch soemthing I won't be able to go back to my email mode [06:11] Speedy2: heh [06:11] warmi: outlook is huge app with tons of options etc .. [06:11] Speedy2: Ok, I think I am going to eat some Ed Venture candy and go [06:11] Speedy2: My new SCSI card should be here soon. [06:11] warmi: yeah .. I mean, all I need from my email client is to be able to read/write email [06:12] Speedy2: I use Pine [06:12] Speedy2: (still) [06:12] warmi: Speedy2 : Ed Venture candy around 6 am is pure madness [06:12] Speedy2: warmi: I normally eat 3 to 4 scoops [06:12] warmi: frankly anything at that hour is madness but candy in particular [06:12] Speedy2: (total, for a night) [06:12] Speedy2: And sleep without issues [06:12] warmi: hehe [06:12] Speedy2: I think you need to goto Meijer and make some Ed Venture candy yourself [06:13] Speedy2: And see what you've been missing [06:13] Speedy2: (That which Poland CANNOT supply) [06:13] ***: moot has quit IRC () [06:13] Speedy2: (For Poland would NOT WANT to supply :) [06:13] warmi: nah .... I think I will stay with my mineral watter and juice for now [06:13] warmi: hehe [06:13] warmi: I take 1.5 liter bottle of that water with me to work every day [06:14] warmi: every frigging day [06:14] Speedy2: I used to bring drinks FROM work to home! :) [06:14] Speedy2: At the last company, they had a fridge full of drinks [06:14] warmi: well, that is not a drink :-) [06:14] Speedy2: Coke, wine coolers, grape juice, bottled water, etc [06:14] warmi: yeah .. Tribune has too but mostly for the "guests" and shit like that [06:15] Speedy2: I figured, since my manager put me on a useless task, I should get "paid" [06:15] Speedy2: hehehehehehe [06:15] Speedy2: [06:15] DrBoB: off to work...later [06:15] warmi: heh [06:15] Speedy2: By Dr. [06:15] ***: DrBoB has left the channel [06:15] Speedy2: Bye [06:15] warmi: see you Bob [06:15] Speedy2: He's gone. [06:15] Speedy2: Well anyway, they owed me...so I indulged [06:16] Speedy2: They did have coolio snacks like peanut butter crackers and stuff, but they took that away as funding started to dry up [06:16] Speedy2: Good thing I saved up :) [06:16] warmi: well, the only truly free thing around my office is starbuck coffe [06:16] Speedy2: God, I wouldn't take that shit [06:17] Speedy2: warmi: You can very nicely add Starbucks to my list of shit companies :) [06:17] pagala: so the zaurus is a linux based pda from the get go right? [06:17] warmi: well, it is pretty good for morning after slepless night [06:17] Speedy2: pagala: True. [06:17] warmi: pagala you mean it comes preinstalled with Linux ? [06:17] warmi: yeah , it is [06:17] pagala: yes [06:17] Speedy2: Okeee, I think I go now. [06:18] warmi: I will be going soon too [06:18] Speedy2: Later all, have a good day at work Walter. [06:18] Speedy2: Night pagala [06:18] warmi: you too [06:18] * Speedy2 goes away to smoke some Ed Venture [06:18] ***: Speedy2 has quit IRC ("Leaving") [06:19] mod: i'm searching for an email client which supports smtp login [06:19] mod: does somebody know one? [06:19] pagala: ;) i just thought it was funny on slashdot how (like the usually do) ingnore that anything wince might exist when they were talking about the Divx player by The Kompany [06:19] George-: mod: KMail [06:19] George-: :) [06:20] mod: George-: for Zaurus? [06:20] George-: mod: oh [06:20] warmi: pagala : they ignore it cause there it is no news that there is a software available for wince .. [06:20] George-: mod: try tkcMail :) [06:20] warmi: everyone knows that :-) [06:20] George-: mod: when Rikkus releases it [06:21] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [06:21] pagala: warmi: but they were talking like divx had never been done portable till it was done on the zaurus [06:21] moot: someone ping me [06:21] mod: George-: is there no release yet or beta for testing? [06:21] ***: [George] (~Test@m178-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [06:21] warmi: pagala : well .. it is Linux oriented site.... they get orgasms when games are released for Linux ... 2 years after Windows release [06:22] ***: George- has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [06:22] ***: [George] is now known as George- [06:22] pagala: yeah i guess but there has been a divx player for linux on the ipaq i think it is that has been out for well over a year [06:22] pagala: i have an ipaq btw [06:22] mod: pagala: bbrun [06:22] warmi: I don't watch movies on my Z anyway ..so I wouldn't know [06:22] moot: someone ping me [06:23] mod: George-: is there no release yet or beta for testing? [06:23] warmi: I just ordered ipaq 3835 [06:23] warmi: which model you got pagala ? [06:23] pagala: i love it and i want to try linux on it but wince has ucked me in [06:23] George-: mod: It's tkc, what do you expect? :) [06:23] pagala: 3835 [06:23] mod: George-: is GPL? [06:23] ***: moot has left the channel [06:23] George-: mod: no [06:23] George-: mod: It's tkc ;) [06:23] warmi: does it still have a problem with not being able to recognize multiple key presses at the same time ? [06:23] warmi: I heard it used to be an issue with ipaqs [06:24] warmi: especially for games [06:24] mod: George-: do u know other email-clients? [06:24] kybu: yes [06:24] pagala: the new 39xx's screens are nice i would love it if they could be installed in my 3835 [06:24] pagala: no the 38xx's did away with the key press problem [06:24] warmi: ah ok [06:24] mod: pagala: which screens? [06:25] pagala: the ipaq 39xx series screen [06:25] warmi: I ordered it last week .. and it should be here today according to Fedex tracking [06:25] mod: pagala: yes [06:25] pagala: it is without a doubt the best pda screen i have evr seen [06:25] warmi: pagala have you seen or used the ZAurus at all ? [06:25] mod: pagala: do u have links? [06:25] mod: George-: ? [06:25] George-: mod: Opie-mail? [06:26] mod: George-: it doesn't support smtp login [06:26] George-: i don't know [06:26] pagala: compaq site should have it but it is better to see it in person ;) they have them at compusa [06:26] warmi: pagala :39xx are expensive like hell [06:26] pagala: warmi: i think i played with a zaurus at best buy once [06:27] warmi: definately overpriced [06:27] pagala: oh i know that is why i was hoping they might sell the 39xx screen like they are now doing with the 38xx's [06:27] George-: pagala: what's s o good about the 39xx? [06:27] warmi: mod: doesn't defaul Qtopia mail allow smpt connections ? [06:27] warmi: ah ... smpt login [06:27] pagala: George-: the screen [06:27] George-: pagala: better than the Z's? [06:27] mod: warmi: where to get Qtopia mail for opie or Zaurus [06:28] George-: pagala: I doubt it ;) [06:28] pagala: i make no comment about anything esle but the screen is awsome [06:28] warmi: mod: Qtopia mail is the mail client that comes with the zaurus by default [06:28] George-: I'm afk - starcraft [06:28] warmi: btw .. what do you mean by smpt login ? [06:28] mod: warmi: i have only opie or better ipaq [06:28] warmi: ah .. ok [06:29] warmi: pagala : you still run PPC on your ipaq ? [06:29] mod: warmi: is there an ipk for Qtopia mail somewhere? [06:30] warmi: mod: I don't think so [06:30] pagala: well if i could do dual boot i would probably try linux [06:30] warmi: I thought you had the Zaurus [06:30] mod: warmi: is there nothing of that on qtopia? [06:30] warmi: ppc has tons of apps available .. if it only wasn't so ugly [06:30] warmi: heh [06:30] warmi: mod: qtopia email is located in zaurus ROM [06:31] warmi: I don't know if it can be "repackaged" and installed on another Qtopia based pda [06:31] warmi: like ipaq [06:31] pagala: George-: just go to compusa and try the 39xx i do believe it is the best quality as far as the lcd technology (not size or anything) avalible [06:31] George-: pagala: we're not all in USA, dude [06:31] pagala: not to say that the zaurus doesn't have a nice screen [06:32] ***: seth (~user@p3E992625.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [06:32] warmi: George- well, at least not yet [06:32] warmi: hehe [06:32] pagala: hell i didn't think the 39xx's screen could look much better than the already good 38xx's screen but i was surprised to find out it is [06:32] George-: warmi: gah [06:32] George-: warmi: heh [06:33] pagala: ok sorry George- ;) [06:33] warmi: George- :yeah .. sooner or later there will payback for what happened 200 years ago [06:33] pagala: i do assume sometimes and you know i always end up being the ass [06:34] warmi: hehe [06:34] warmi: pagala: I am sure they have 39xx in UK [06:34] George-: warmi: hah [06:34] pagala: warmi: i would go to straight linux if i knew for certain my cf card mmc's and power sleeve were all 100% compatible [06:34] George-: warmi: arse, you were the guys that left US! [06:34] warmi: so he can go to his local "compUk" or whatever they call them over there :-) [06:34] George-: warmi: PC World :) [06:35] warmi: yeah ... PCWorld [06:35] pagala: i have a 512MB cf card which is very nice to have [06:35] warmi: pagala uh .. that is big ass CF card [06:35] warmi: how much did you pay for it ? [06:35] pagala: well there is 2GB CF cards so it isn't the biggest [06:36] George-: pagala: are there? [06:36] warmi: well, there are ferraris as well :-) [06:36] pagala: it was only $190 [06:36] warmi: that is cheap [06:36] pagala: yeah it is actually now 180 from the place i bought it from [06:36] warmi: 512 CF can accomodate a lot of mp3 files [06:37] warmi: heh [06:37] pagala: George-: or so i have heard i haven't found any place that sell 2GB CF but i have seen 1GB CF [06:37] pagala: but CF is actually spec too allow up to 4GB [06:37] George-: pagala: CF spec should allow more than that [06:37] George-: pagala: it's based on PCMCIA [06:38] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [06:38] pagala: ok well that is just something i read [06:38] pagala: i would imagine size is an issue with cf though [06:38] warmi: size matters .. [06:38] warmi: or so they say [06:39] warmi: George- another sleepless night [06:39] warmi: hah [06:39] pagala: but who knows, they have been able to pack 512MB into SD so [06:39] pagala: SD is so very small [06:39] ***: moot has quit IRC (Client Quit) [06:39] warmi: pagal: how much did you pay for your CF sleeve ? [06:39] kolla: I havent seen SD bigger than 128MB [06:39] warmi: I understant 3835 comes with SD port only [06:40] mickeyl: is there a sleeve for the 36xx series which has CF and SD ? [06:40] * pneumonia found a 8M cf in his drawer [06:40] pagala: warmi: $99 [06:40] * pneumonia is back [06:40] warmi: that's pretty expensive [06:40] pagala: it is the one with the extra batter [06:40] warmi: I mean .. from the hardware point of view the ZAurus is definately a better deal [06:40] pagala: so i get like about an hour more life or more with it [06:40] warmi: it is cheaper and comes with both SD and CF [06:41] pagala: no way the zaurus has SD? [06:41] warmi: of course [06:41] warmi: it has both [06:41] pagala: i have always heard linux people bitch about SD because of it being closed hardware [06:41] George-: pagala: yeh, Z has SD [06:42] George-: pagala: yeh, they're bitching about the NDA that sharp are under regarding the Linux SD driver :) [06:42] pagala: well i am probably going to get the e550 or e740 when i upgrade but xscale has yet to convince me of its usefullness [06:42] warmi: pagala: rememeber it was Sharp who released the Zaurus not .. "linux folks" [06:42] bewmIES: The SD (on the Z) is also slow too, but from what I understand that's an implementation problem. [06:43] George-: bewmIES: it's the SA1110 [06:43] George-: bewmIES: the SA1110 only supports 1 data line [06:43] bewmIES: Yeah, Jason said it only used 2 of the 4 pins or something. [06:43] bewmIES: yeah [06:43] warmi: yeah .. it is slow like hell [06:43] pagala: so is the zaurus 206 sa1100 then? [06:43] warmi: I would say more than two times slower than CF [06:43] * bewmIES agrees [06:43] George-: pagala: 206MHz SA-1110 [06:43] warmi: pagala it is like 3835 [06:43] warmi: 320x240, 64 RAM, etc .. [06:43] pagala: i would guess so [06:43] warmi: 64 K colors [06:44] George-: except that it has CF :) [06:44] George-: and it has a keyboard [06:44] George-: ;)))) [06:44] George-: and microphone input [06:44] George-: heh [06:44] warmi: yeah .. and doesn't have a speaker [06:44] George-: speaker is shit anyway ;) [06:44] warmi: yeah .. but the keyboard is very cool [06:44] George-: although, a speaker would be nice for a simple custimizable alarm clock ;))) [06:44] warmi: I mean .. compared to onscreen virtual stuff [06:45] pagala: well about sd being slow... it is slow on the ipaq too... the hardware manufactures need to get a clue and fix their shit [06:45] George-: pagala: It's Intel's shit [06:45] George-: pagala: the AMD embedded CPU has 4 data lines :) [06:45] warmi: George- and it needs portable generator [06:45] warmi: heh [06:45] pagala: hell my card reader reads/writes probably 4x faster on MMC than the ipaq does [06:45] George-: warmi: portable generator? [06:45] mod: warmi: i have now qpemail but can u paste me your config file because when i configure qpemail it want save the server may i query u? [06:46] pagala: AMD embedded CPU? [06:46] pagala: and what would that be? [06:46] George-: pagala: AMD Alchemy [06:46] George-: pagala: MIPS based [06:46] warmi: George- portable power generator [06:46] warmi: hehe [06:46] pagala: when is that coming out? [06:46] George-: warmi: yeh ;) [06:46] warmi: and portable cooler [06:46] George-: warmi: it's a bit, well, power consuming [06:46] George-: heh [06:46] George-: rofl [06:46] George-: warmi: portable freezer for liquid nitrogen :) [06:47] warmi: George- yeah .... I know .. I have AMD in my desktop machine [06:47] warmi: I burned my first 1000 GHZ AMD [06:47] mod: warmi: may i? [06:47] George-: warmi: heh [06:47] pagala: man that rules i didn't know AMD was getting into the embbeded proc market [06:47] warmi: actually it fried due to motherboard failure [06:47] pagala: or is the alchemy already out? [06:48] warmi: mod: yeah .. go ahead [06:48] pagala: George-??? [06:50] ***: hunger has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [06:50] ***: pagala has quit IRC () [06:53] ***: George- is now known as George`MacOSX [06:55] ***: George`MacOSX is now known as George`Out [06:55] ***: warmi has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [06:55] George`Out: OK, I'm offf [06:55] George`Out: bye [06:55] ***: hunger (~foobar@pD954A57B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [07:03] ***: seth has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [07:08] ***: mod has quit IRC ("Lost terminal") [07:16] pneumonia: chouimat|Zzzz: wakeup sleepyhead [07:21] George`Out: pneumonia: lol [07:21] ***: mark has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [07:24] George`Out: Intel, have gone... mad [07:25] George`Out: Always increasing the friggin' clock speed [07:25] George`Out: it's stupid [07:29] pneumonia: George`Out: on ppc xscale 400MHz is about 15% slower then arm 200MHz :) [07:29] George`Out: pneumonia: I know ;) [07:30] George`Out: pneumonia: the XScale is, er, crap [07:30] George`Out: ;) [07:30] George`Out: I swear [07:30] George`Out: as soon as the ClawHammer comes out [07:30] George`Out: that'll be the end of Intel ;) [07:30] pneumonia: George`Out: hmm, if gcc would produce fast code for XScale then it could be nice [07:31] TheMasterMind1: hi [07:31] pneumonia: George`Out: they will have the same prob as Intel with XScale [07:31] George`Out: Xscale is intel.. [07:31] George`Out: bbl [07:32] pneumonia: George`Out: and they will not run much cooler than Athlon [07:36] George`Out: ? [07:36] George`Out: the athlon isn't embedded [07:36] ***: Erwan_ (Erwan@P061198172237.ppp.prin.ne.jp) has joined the channel [07:37] pneumonia: George`Out: :) [07:37] ***: anse|or (~anselor@dsl-64-128-180-225.telocity.com) has joined the channel [07:37] pneumonia: hi [07:38] pneumonia: pneumonia: fixed your bugs ? [07:38] ***: Erwan_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [07:38] cutm: whew. [07:38] cutm: hmm [07:38] pneumonia: where can i find some hylafax gurus ? [07:39] George`Out: pneumonia: talking to yerself? [07:39] pneumonia: George`Out: yes :) [07:39] pneumonia: i meant anselor [07:39] George`Out: pneumonia: you're imm? [07:40] pneumonia: George`Out: who knows ? [07:40] anse|or: heheh [07:40] anse|or: ~imm@213.189.143.220 [07:40] ***: jmhodges (~jmh@jmhodge.res.bgsu.edu) has joined the channel [07:40] anse|or: yep, he's imm [07:40] pneumonia: anse|or: psssssst [07:40] anse|or: heheh [07:40] anse|or: haven't had time to mess with my app yet [07:41] ***: numatrix (~jwiens@psifertex.nerdc.ufl.edu) has joined the channel [07:41] George`Out: pneumonia: I checked ur ident, fool! :) [07:41] pneumonia: anse|or: i still wait for email [07:41] George`Out: pneumonia: you do not know the POWER of the Dark Side [07:41] anse|or: i have some pretty good ideas how to fix my problems. [07:41] anse|or: pneumonia: that stinks [07:41] numatrix: anse|or; dang, you're up early. ;-) [07:41] anse|or: numatrix: yep, you can probably guess why. [07:42] anse|or: :-P [07:42] numatrix: anse|or: class? [07:42] anse|or: numatrix: no, you know me, i don't wake up for class [07:42] anse|or: numatrix: besides, my class isn't till 4 today. gotta love final semesters. [07:43] numatrix: anse|or so you pullled an all-nighter? [07:43] numatrix: ;-) [07:43] anse|or: numatrix: 'all nighter' right. [07:44] numatrix: anse|or: dang it, man; change your nick, it's annoying that it doesn't auto-complete... [07:44] ***: mark (~mark@m163-mp1.cvx3-a.bre.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [07:45] anse|or: heheh [07:45] ***: tux_mike (~mike@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined the channel [07:45] ***: anse|or is now known as anselor [07:46] anselor: i wonder if mirc has nick autocomplete. typing people's names is a pain in the ass. [07:46] TheMasterMind1: "sub.domain.bob.core.tv.com" =~ /^([a-z0-9\-]+\.)+((com|org|net|gov|edu)|[a-zA-z]{2})$/i [07:47] TheMasterMind1: anselor: it does [07:47] anselor: do tell [07:49] ***: asterick (asterick@d-131-151-037-218.dynamic.umr.edu) has joined the channel [07:49] asterick: Yay. Got a SL-5500 on order. [07:50] pneumonia: asterick: cool [07:50] George`Out: afk [07:50] TheMasterMind1: asterick: from where? [07:51] asterick: Buy.com [07:51] asterick: They are ubercheap, and really reliable. [07:51] TheMasterMind1: yep [07:51] TheMasterMind1: i just order my cf/sdcard stuff from them [07:51] TheMasterMind1: and i got my Z from then last week [07:52] asterick: got that, a netgear 802.11b adapter, and a 128mb stick of Lexar SD memory. [07:52] TheMasterMind1: cool [07:52] TheMasterMind1: hopefull the netgear isn't a bulky one [07:52] TheMasterMind1: that blocks your stylus and headphone jacks [07:52] asterick: Smaller than DLink. [07:56] anselor: numatrix: i got the socket cf card. [07:57] numatrix: anselor how much? [07:57] anselor: $130 [07:57] asterick: I would have got a socket card, except they require software futzing to get them to work. [07:57] anselor: ... what kind of software futzing? [07:57] numatrix: anselor: you planning on loading openzaurus? makes using the socket easier [07:57] numatrix: anselor: driver install afterwards [07:57] numatrix: anselor: didn't you read the docs? ;-) [07:57] asterick: I heard it had rom compatibility issues if you want 40bit WAP. [07:57] numatrix: ibot: wireless [07:57] ibot: wireless is a pain in the @$$ to get working. or http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport [07:58] asterick: Gotta go! [07:58] ***: asterick has quit IRC () [07:58] anselor: it says it's supported by 3rd party drivers [07:59] anselor: hmm, mayhaps i'll install OZ [07:59] anselor: can't get autocomplete working in mirc [07:59] anselor: oh hey, there it is. [07:59] anselor: wow, just tab. go fig. [08:01] pneumonia: anselor anselor anselor anselor anselor anselor anselor anselor anselor anselor ! [08:01] pneumonia: wanna make a race ? [08:01] anselor: hah [08:01] pneumonia: pneumonia pneumonia pneumonia pneumonia pneumonia pneumonia pneumonia [08:02] pneumonia: still no hylafax gurus around ? [08:04] ***: Wezzel (~wesr@bgp01392959bgs.parads01.nm.comcast.net) has joined the channel [08:04] anselor: what's hylafax? [08:05] pneumonia: a fax send solution [08:05] anselor: via the Z? [08:06] pneumonia: nope, its OT [08:07] * uncon is back, rejoice (g!21h 7m 40s) : os/bx [08:07] pneumonia: anselor: you could write a client for the Z [08:08] ***: Tenchi (phil@pcp187725pcs.trentn01.nj.comcast.net) has joined the channel [08:08] anselor: heh [08:09] anselor: pneumonia: i didn't sleep for 4 days to get my contest submission in and you think i'm a good programmer or something. :-P [08:09] kolla: there.. ordered a new wlan card [08:10] kolla: now.. trying to get rid of the d-link one ) [08:10] kolla: :) [08:10] anselor: kolla: what kind? [08:10] pneumonia: kolla: send it to me [08:11] ***: You are now known as darienm [08:11] NickServ: Notice: This nickname is owned by someone else [08:11] NickServ: Notice: If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [08:12] ***: zecke|hacking has quit IRC ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.1") [08:14] kolla: anselor: ordered a smc ez blabla [08:14] kolla: http://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/bilder/112679.jpg [08:16] VerxHome: wireless or wired? [08:17] kolla: wireless ofcourse [08:17] kolla: wires suck :) [08:18] TheMasterMind1: i got a socket low power [08:18] TheMasterMind1: power usage is great [08:18] TheMasterMind1: (long lasting batteries)++ [08:18] kolla: socket low power? [08:19] anselor: it's like 240ma send or something [08:20] kolla: oh.. from socket communications [08:20] kolla: hm [08:20] ***: JasonNJ (~perlowj@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) has joined the channel [08:20] ***: ljp (~ljp@01-210.026.popsite.net) has joined the channel [08:20] kolla: http://www.socketcom.com/product/wlancard.htm [08:20] kolla: I assume [08:21] ***: George`Out has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [08:21] numatrix: kolla: yeah. Symbol sells the same thing under their brand as well. [08:21] numatrix: anselor: apparently it's 280 (according to that link above) [08:21] ***: George`Out (~Test@m350-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [08:22] anselor: 240, 280, something. [08:22] numatrix: :-) [08:23] darienm: Heh, what's 40 ma anyway? I think I stepped over 40 ma this morning on the way to work -- didn't even think about stopping to pick it up. [08:23] anselor: heh [08:23] TheMasterMind1: the symbol card is the same? [08:24] numatrix: TheMasterMind1: yeah [08:24] TheMasterMind1: is the price the same? [08:24] anselor: they should make one with a dial or something to step the power up/down [08:25] TheMasterMind1: anselor or make it controllable by software [08:25] TheMasterMind1: which, iirc it is [08:25] TheMasterMind1: iwconfig lets you control power settings [08:25] anselor: or that, but the feeling that you're turning this dial up to up power .. heheh [08:25] TheMasterMind1: lol [08:26] * TheMasterMind1 is away: gone. [08:26] kolla: numatrix: maybe I should try to find some shop that has this then [08:26] darienm: ->ibot: oz [08:26] TheMasterMind1: buy.com [08:26] TheMasterMind1: its 134 [08:26] TheMasterMind1: expensive [08:26] pneumonia: darienm: i18n("wer das mA nicht ehrt, ist des A nicht wert"); [08:26] TheMasterMind1: you can get a wcf12 for 66 on buy [08:26] TheMasterMind1: free shipping [08:26] kolla: I'm in norway, dont want to order overseas :) [08:27] TheMasterMind1: ah [08:27] kolla: also would like a http://www.nimhbattery.com/dp-dps-8100.htm [08:27] TheMasterMind1: ok [08:27] darienm: pneumonia: haha [08:27] TheMasterMind1: yea [08:27] TheMasterMind1: be careful though [08:27] TheMasterMind1: someone said it burnt out his wifi card [08:27] anselor: ouch [08:27] kolla: hehe [08:28] anselor: if enough people say it works i might try it too. [08:30] ***: chayim (~chayim@gw-yyz.somanetworks.com) has joined the channel [08:31] TheMasterMind1: it works [08:31] TheMasterMind1: heh [08:31] pneumonia: chouimat|Zzzz: wakeup call for sleepyhead #1 [08:32] pneumonia: it works [08:32] ***: pneumonia is now known as enough_people [08:32] enough_people: it works [08:32] ***: enough_people is now known as imm [08:33] ***: chouimat|Zzzz is now known as chouimat|coffee [08:33] chouimat|coffee: morning [08:33] imm: Sugar: make coffe for chouimat|coffee [08:33] * Sugar pours some coffe for chouimat|coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to imm. [08:34] bewmIES: soggy [08:34] imm: Sugar: for chouimat|coffee you should make coffee [08:34] chouimat|coffee: imm Sugar thanks [08:34] imm: chouimat|coffee: any news ? [08:34] ***: goshawk` (~goshawk@ip136.c214.blk2.bel.nwlink.com) has joined the channel [08:34] ***: goshawk` has quit IRC (Client Quit) [08:35] chouimat|coffee: imm no [08:35] VerxHome: you gotta love that nimhbattery kolla [08:35] VerxHome: on the one hand they say you can shoot well over 50x more pictures [08:35] VerxHome: on the other hand it says it has 12x more power [08:35] * VerxHome boggles [08:35] VerxHome: :) [08:36] tux_mike: ugh [08:36] tux_mike: why is x going so slooooow [08:36] chouimat|coffee: imm: it's only 9h36 here [08:37] imm: chouimat|coffee: yeah ok, i was sleeping at 9h36 :) [08:42] cutm: morning. [08:42] ***: Harlekin (~max@pD9E5F60A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [08:42] Harlekin: hi * [08:43] cutm: what wireless NIC would you guys suggest? [08:43] cutm: for the Z [08:43] chayim: cutm: smc2642w [08:44] cutm: any reason(s) in particular? [08:45] chayim: cutm: doesn't cover any of the ports, small, pretty low on power (not as low as the socket card though). [08:45] chayim: cutm: use it all the time for the surf and chat [08:45] anselor: socket [08:45] chayim: anselor: super low power eh? [08:45] anselor: chayim: yep [08:45] cutm: chayim: cool [08:46] cutm: the not covering up any ports is a plus [08:46] cutm: is it the only card like that? [08:46] chayim: anselor: how much time do you get out of that sucka? [08:46] chayim: cutm: I think the socket has the same deal but I've never gotten up close and personal w/it. [08:46] anselor: chayim: none yet, still waiting for 2 things. 1) for the free Z to get here and 2) for the socket card to get here. heheh. [08:47] chayim: anselor: got a free z from the devcon? [08:47] tux_mike: this is gonna be a PITA [08:47] * tux_mike attempts to extract kde from hins system [08:47] anselor: chayim: benmeyer says I got one [08:48] ***: Com[Plex] has quit IRC (Success) [08:48] chayim: chayim: benmeyer would be the one to know. which app was yours? [08:48] chayim: s/chayim/anselor/ [08:48] anselor: chayim: talking to yourself? ;-) I did MatchMaker [08:48] benmeyer_sharp: morning [08:48] chayim: anselor: haven't seen it. [08:49] cutm: anselor: I'm in the same boat ;) [08:49] chayim: anselor: I'll give it a look later on. [08:49] chayim: benmeyer_sharp: morning [08:49] benmeyer_sharp: I heard my name, what did you want to know? [08:49] anselor: chayim: I'v been lazy should make a page for it sometime soon. [08:49] cutm: morning ben [08:49] chayim: anselor: well if you really feel like make pages I need a whole bunch done. =) [08:49] anselor: chayim: haha [08:49] chayim: anselor: can't blame me for trying. [08:51] anselor: benmeyer_sharp: i'd just said that you said i got a Z, they were wondering. [08:52] benmeyer_sharp: what was your app? [08:52] benmeyer_sharp: ah yes [08:52] benmeyer_sharp: yah you did [08:52] anselor: heheh [08:52] Harlekin: hi benmeyer_sharp [08:52] Harlekin: benmeyer_sharp: hows the digging doing [08:52] Harlekin: .-) [08:52] imm: benmeyer_sharp: any thoughts about PocketFlirt ? [08:52] anselor: rge`Out has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [08:52] anselor: kolla: yeah. Symbol sells the same thing under their brand as well. [08:52] anselor: anselor: apparently it's 280 (according to that link above) [08:52] anselor: * George`Out has joined #Zaurus [08:52] anselor: 240, 280, something. [08:52] anselor: :-) [08:52] ***: anselor has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [08:53] benmeyer_sharp: havn't got to it [08:53] benmeyer_sharp: sorry [08:53] benmeyer_sharp: patiences :-D [08:53] imm: benmeyer_sharp: no prob :) [08:53] cutm: chayim: where did you get your card at? [08:53] chayim: cutm: pcconnection [08:53] ***: anselor (~anselor@dsl-64-128-180-225.telocity.com) has joined the channel [08:54] anselor: shit, sorry [08:54] anselor: hit the wrong key... [08:54] anselor: not sure how that happened.. [08:54] chouimat|coffee: benmeyer_sharp: how many days before you check all apps? [08:55] benmeyer_sharp: I wish yesterday :-D [08:55] benmeyer_sharp: it is slow [08:55] cutm: haha [08:55] benmeyer_sharp: our next contest will require ipk and src as the only submissions :-D [08:55] benmeyer_sharp: too anoying having anything else [08:55] chouimat|coffee: benmeyer_sharp: you speak of mine? [08:55] benmeyer_sharp: ? [08:56] chayim: benmeyer_sharp: and then we'll know that anything can be installed anywhere (as it should). No more of this no SD, no CF crap. [08:56] anselor: benmeyer_sharp: next contest? [08:57] cutm: benmeyer: you guys getting way to much stuff along with the apps? :) [08:57] kybu: :> [08:57] * chouimat|coffee whishes that kaudiocreator was able to use cdradao files [08:58] benmeyer_sharp: cdradao? [08:58] benmeyer_sharp: create? [08:58] benmeyer_sharp: make? [08:58] benmeyer_sharp: rip from? [08:58] chouimat|coffee: benmeyer_sharp: rip from [08:58] benmeyer_sharp: what is it? [08:59] benmeyer_sharp: kaudiocreator uses ioslaves. i.e. audiocd:// ioslave and so if you have set up audiocd:// to read it then yes kaudiocreator can rip from it [08:59] chouimat|coffee: benmeyer_sharp: a cd recording apps [09:00] benmeyer_sharp: the problem with the files is that some people don't send the files and want us to download them, but then the link is wrong/site is down, or they only send screenshots, or they send source with instructions on how to modify the build system or other wacky things. [09:00] benmeyer_sharp: apps? [09:00] benmeyer_sharp: well kaudiocreator is ripping and not recording [09:00] benmeyer_sharp: does it create a virtual cd? [09:01] chouimat|coffee: benmeyer_sharp: able to create an image file of the cd audio [09:01] chayim: benmeyer_sharp: just grab grip instead, it'll use whatever your chosen encoder is. [09:02] benmeyer_sharp: chayim: why don't you select the "Leave as wav" option? [09:02] benmeyer_sharp: i.e. don't encode [09:02] cutm: benmeyer: ouch... if only everyone would have just attached binaries+snapshots :) [09:02] chouimat|coffee: benmeyer_sharp: I send the source, screenshot, x86 and arm binaries and the supporting desktop server [09:02] benmeyer_sharp: or do you want raw data without the wav header? [09:02] benmeyer_sharp: ok that is good [09:03] chayim: benmeyer_sharp: I like to encode everything to mp3. I'm not a wav fan and there's only so much disk space for 300+ cds. [09:03] cutm: WAV files can get huge [09:03] ***: roge99_laptop has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [09:04] ***: Harlekin has quit IRC ("bbl - learning") [09:04] cutm: back in the day when you could only burn WAVs instead of MP3s... ehh, that sucked. [09:04] chouimat|coffee: benmeyer_sharp: but run the x86 bin first, didn't test the arm [09:04] chayim: cutm: I agree, that's why I tear all of my cds to mp3, first thing. I never actually listen to a cd anymore. [09:04] chayim: mind you the RIAA wants to stop all this. (IDIOTS) [09:04] chayim: vi mksolpkg.sh [09:05] * chayim shits in the wrong window [09:05] cutm: chayim: I only listen to CDs in my car and sometimes when I'm not at my computer [09:05] cutm: I haven't invested in MP3 players yet [09:05] chayim: cutm: I build a wireless mp3 player for my car. [09:05] benmeyer_sharp: chayim: I am not sure what you want to kaudiocreator [09:06] cutm: chayim: how does that work for you? [09:06] chayim: benmeyer_sharp: I don't want it, I'm not a kde guy. [09:06] chayim: cutm: I shove a laptop with the wireless card under the passenger seat, it's wired into the stereo and power (you cannot see it). [09:06] cutm: haha, that's cool. [09:06] chayim: cutm: then I have an LCD up front where the radio would be (it's a Matrox Orbital) [09:06] cutm: nice [09:07] cutm: can you shove over mp3s from your Z? :) [09:07] chayim: I'm running cajun (with my fixes) on the laptop, and I have it run a python script to ssh into my mp3 server (uses keys) [09:07] chayim: to randomly select some music. Only take 2 hours to grab 6 gigs. [09:07] cutm: that's awesome [09:07] chayim: when I pull into the driveway for an extended time (i.e. 2+ hours) I just press the grab button. [09:08] ***: mdz has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [09:08] chayim: believe it or not it only took about 5 hours to get up and running (but a bitch to debug) [09:08] cutm: how much did that setup cost you? [09:08] chayim: $300 USD ($460cdn) [09:09] cutm: not bad [09:09] chayim: cutm: it was cheaper than the mp3 player for my car. [09:09] chayim: bought the laptop on ebay. [09:10] ***: warmi (~warmi@dsl-65-184-213-17.telocity.com) has joined the channel [09:10] warmi: hi [09:10] tux_mike: hey warmi [09:10] tux_mike: warmi: what distro you use? [09:11] warmi: rh 7.3 and Win 2000 - just installed both last week [09:11] * chayim went to grab pages from printer. [09:11] cutm: chayim: awesome. do you use any sd/cf cards while surfin with your nic? [09:11] tux_mike: hrm... [09:12] warmi: tux_mike: why do you ask ? [09:12] tux_mike: i wanna switch from redhat [09:12] warmi: to what ? [09:13] ljp: linuxone [09:14] tux_mike: something other than redhat :) [09:14] warmi: why ? [09:14] tux_mike: well, i'm not sure yet [09:15] tux_mike: i want to see how bad their changes to KDE are [09:15] warmi: ah [09:15] warmi: well, I don't use RH KDE anyway [09:15] chayim: tux_mike: try gentoo! I love it [09:15] chayim: cutm: I use sd and cf cards (the sd is always in) [09:15] cutm: tux: slackware [09:15] tux_mike: chayim: nope, BSD startup scripts [09:15] tux_mike: cutm: same [09:15] warmi: hehe [09:16] * tux_mike despises BSD startup scripts [09:16] warmi: a bit of sanity in starut scripts always helps [09:16] tux_mike: they remind me of autoexec.bat and configh.sys [09:16] warmi: startup even [09:16] cutm: chayim: recommend any good sd cards? [09:16] cutm: tux: I only use slackware ;) [09:16] chayim: cutm: I use the Sandisk 64mb card [09:16] warmi: tux_mike: agree ... RH startup scripts are good [09:16] chayim: tux_mike: I'll put up with BSD scripts for the beauty of the distro [09:16] tux_mike: yes, they are [09:17] tux_mike: beauty? [09:17] chayim: warmi: besides, you can replace them (as I did on my file server) [09:17] darienm: benmeyer_sharp: Did you leave your home IRC client connected two days in a row? [09:17] chayim: tux_mike: once it's up it's the most amazing thing in the world [09:17] warmi: chayim: what is so great about bare bone linux where you have to compile everything ? [09:17] cutm: what's the deal with formatting SD cards? is that not suggested? [09:17] tux_mike: well, i can't say antying about gentoo, since i haven't tried it [09:17] ***: mark has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [09:18] chayim: warmi: pure utter speed, if you want you can grab the stage 3 install which is precompiled, but I don't mind starting it when I leave for work and coming home. [09:18] chayim: warmi: besides, it's nice to try emerge world and have your entire box upgrade to the latest of everything from source, compiled for your processor optimizations. [09:18] warmi: speed ? I can recompile my kernel for AMD and it is going to be just as fast :-) [09:18] tux_mike: warmi: i want to go and recompile the redhat packages for i686 with ICC, and another set for Crusoe [09:18] tux_mike: actually, i768 [09:19] tux_mike: i786 [09:19] chayim: warmi: not true, that's just your kernel, what about your packages, what about the module loader (modutils), ksymoops, etc. Trus me it is way, way faster (I left RH b/c of this). [09:19] kybu: warmi: gentoo is really very fast due to this [09:19] kybu: also SGML distro [09:19] cutm: I'd rather use FreeBSD-STABLE :-P [09:19] chayim: cutm: that's fair, I did debate that [09:20] warmi: btw .... my Linux box is fast enough ... I use AcceleratedX which makes my desktop feel much faster/snapier than Xfree based stuff [09:20] kybu: but we can talk about thi neverending :) [09:20] tux_mike: what video card? [09:20] chayim: kybu: so true [09:20] warmi: ATI Radeon 7000 VE [09:20] chayim: warmi: I haven't tried AcceleratedX yet. [09:20] ljp: you should [09:20] warmi: well, I have been their customer since 1998 or so [09:21] warmi: works for me [09:21] chayim: got an url? [09:21] ljp: they are right here in Denver [09:21] chayim: ljp: how much for an x server though (USD I assume) [09:21] tux_mike: warmi: i doubt they do drivers for the NVidia card better than NVidia :) [09:21] warmi: yeah ... they are guys who started XFree in the first place [09:21] warmi: and then decided to put their skills to some better use and create xig [09:21] warmi: hehe [09:22] * tux_mike has a love-hate relationship with X [09:22] chayim: warmi: about that url... [09:22] * chayim thinks X is a step backwards for graphics [09:22] warmi: tux_mike: perhaps ... I don't think AccelX even supports nvidia at this point [09:22] warmi: chayim: what URL ? [09:22] chayim: an url for accelerated x (you know product lit). [09:22] tux_mike: warmi: do you know if they support the mobility radeon? [09:23] anselor: does the scheduler and stuff on the Z sync with outlook? [09:23] tux_mike: anselor: if you use intellisync [09:23] warmi: http://www.xig.com/Pages/CardMfgrs/CardChipMfgrINDEX.html [09:23] chayim: warmi: thanks mate. [09:23] tux_mike: but why would you want to use outlook? *shudder* [09:23] anselor: i have to for work. [09:24] warmi: tux_mike: mobility is laptop card right ? [09:24] chayim: tux_mike: b/c I never finished getting zesync to sync with evolution [09:24] tux_mike: warmi: yah [09:24] warmi: tux_mike: there is their latest laptop support :http://www.xig.com/Pages/LX/LaptopNewv6Support.html [09:25] warmi: they support mobility [09:25] tux_mike: warmi: well, they support my TNT-2, but nothing newer :) [09:25] warmi: HP OmniBook 6100 (w/ATI Mobility RADEON) [09:25] warmi: Compaq Presairo 1700T (w/ATI Mobility RADEON-M) [09:25] warmi: etc .. [09:25] tux_mike: how much is it? [09:26] cutm: oh well [09:26] cutm: one thing against FreeBSD-STABLE is the lack of accel. video card drivers [09:26] warmi: don't know ... I think I paid like $100 or so [09:26] warmi: it is kind of expensive [09:26] warmi: compared to XFree :-) [09:27] tux_mike: hrm... well, if i can get it so i can try it on my libretto when i get it [09:27] ***: kaygee (~kaygee@ip68-13-136-182.om.om.cox.net) has joined the channel [09:27] tux_mike: do they have 3d support on the laptops? [09:27] * chayim needs to do some actual work... l8r gaters [09:28] ***: chayim has left the channel [09:28] warmi: don't know .. I know they have special OpenGL drivers if you care about that .... [09:28] warmi: but I personally don't care about 3d on Linux [09:28] warmi: it is more pain than it is worth :-) [09:28] tux_mike: if i can get some pre-sale support before i buy, i'll get it :) [09:28] tux_mike: warmi: i do, i want to play NWN :) [09:29] warmi: they have a demo for every product they have [09:29] warmi: so you can always try it out [09:29] tux_mike: yah [09:29] warmi: tux_mike: yeah ... use Windows - it is much better at that [09:29] George`Out: blah [09:30] tux_mike: i'd prefer not to have to reboot :) [09:30] warmi: tryin to play games on Linux is like trying to make web server out of Mac OS 9 box :-) [09:30] ljp: ibot: opie feeds [09:30] ibot: ljp: i'm not following you... [09:30] warmi: it will work .. kinda [09:30] ljp: ibot: feeds [09:30] ibot: feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds [09:30] ljp: ibot: feed [09:30] ibot: feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie [09:30] tux_mike: you /make/ games for linux :) [09:30] ***: George`Out is now known as George- [09:31] warmi: nah .. I make simple games for Linux .. I am talking about plaing 3d stuff which pushes hardware to its limits [09:31] tux_mike: :) [09:32] warmi: I mean ... if you are into games then it is obvious which platform you should stick with [09:32] warmi: right ? :-) [09:32] kolla: C=64 [09:33] tux_mike: i prolly will use windows on my laptop for games. i just hope they'll run ok in the japanese version :) [09:33] ***: kolla has quit IRC ("xchat exiting..") [09:34] chouimat|coffee: kolla: no a real 8bit home computer -> a Color Comuter 3 with 16MB ram a 125MB HD and OS-9 Level 2 [09:35] ***: umop-apisdn (~Snak@44.159.252.64.snet.net) has joined the channel [09:38] George-: warmi: you call stuff like Puzz-le games? [09:38] * George- ducks [09:39] ***: ljp is now known as ljp_admin [09:39] ***: ljp_admin is now known as ljp_admining [09:39] warmi: George-: hehehe [09:39] warmi: yeah .. believe it or not .. some people prefer games like that over Quake ( not me though ) [09:40] George-: I do [09:40] George-: I hate FPS :) [09:40] tux_mike: there are few games i actually play [09:40] George-: tux_mike: sorta the same ;) [09:40] warmi: well, I am not crazy about FPS either ... I prefer games like Age of Kings etc .. [09:40] George-: tux_mike: I like Blizzard's RTS games [09:40] George-: warmi: that's M$, isn't it? [09:41] George-: Neo released a new game? [09:41] warmi: not , MS is only the publisher .. it was created by Ensemble Studios [09:41] George-: oh [09:41] * George- wonders what to do with 2 zauruses [09:42] * tux_mike likes sim games, mostly [09:42] ***: VerxWork (~Verxion@12-219-165-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined the channel [09:42] tux_mike: sc3k is one of the best games ever. [09:42] tux_mike: and i'm gonna have to get sc4 [09:42] George-: yehhhh [09:42] tux_mike: and X-Plane [09:42] George-: I like StarCraft :) [09:43] George-: tux_mike: heh, I told you about X-Plane! [09:43] * George- slaps tux_mike [09:43] ***: chouimat|coffee has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [09:43] umop-apisdn: anyone have the wireless? [09:43] George-: umop-apisdn: ? [09:43] _kuro5hin: wireless? sure [09:43] tux_mike: now what was that for [09:43] umop-apisdn: that phone thing. [09:44] tux_mike: it's on my list of "to-get" [09:44] umop-apisdn: I've got a 802.11, but I want to get the phone thing [09:44] George-: tux_mike: I fagged X-Plane 5 off a friend ;) [09:44] tux_mike: i'm getting the latest version [09:44] George-: tux_mike: yeh, that'll be 6. [09:45] umop-apisdn: x-plane on the Zaurus!? that sounds cool. [09:46] _kuro5hin: phuck the phone I am about personal telco 802.* [09:46] George-: umop-apisdn: shut up :) [09:46] umop-apisdn: wha!? [09:46] umop-apisdn: heh [09:46] ***: George- has changed the topic to "Sharp SL-5000D/5500/A300 Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ | http://MyZaurus.com/ | get a real topic. | NO!" [09:47] umop-apisdn: telco 802.* ... not any time soon. [09:47] George-: -NickServ- The nickname [ChanServ] is not registered [09:47] umop-apisdn: too many towers required. [09:47] George-: hah, next time ChanServ is next offline, register the nick, and ghost it ;) [09:48] umop-apisdn: too bad there isn't a "real" USB so we could use 1xRTT or GSM internet :( [09:49] imm: why dont they put in a real USB ? [09:49] George-: umop-apisdn: you mean USB Master? [09:49] umop-apisdn: probably too battery hungry [09:49] George-: umop-apisdn: 'cos SA-1110 don't support it ;) [09:50] imm: umop-apisdn: yes, that would be the reason [09:50] umop-apisdn: George- I don't knoww what the "real" usb name is.. but it would work if we had a laptop style usb instead of being the device. [09:50] George-: yeh, USB Master :) [09:52] ***: Com[Plex] (ANGRYMAN@65.217.160.228) has joined the channel [09:53] ***: prpplague (~dave@24.244.142.207) has joined the channel [09:54] George-: oh no, it's prpplague! Get to the pill boxes! [09:54] George-: ;) [09:54] prpplague: lol [09:54] prpplague: George-: no pills, just beer [09:54] ***: chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) has joined the channel [09:55] George-: prpplague: heh [09:55] chouimat: back [09:55] chouimat: ls [09:55] imm: imm [09:56] chouimat: imm: hi [09:56] ***: kergoth`left has changed the topic to "Sharp SL-5000D/5500/A300 Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ | http://MyZaurus.com/ | The channel smacks of usage!" [09:56] ***: mdz (~mdz@h00501804baef.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined the channel [09:56] ***: kergoth`left is now known as kergoth_ [09:56] kergoth_: morning [09:56] * George- kills chouimat [09:56] mdz: morning [09:56] imm: moin [09:57] ***: software_tweaker (~software_@63.238.221.101) has joined the channel [09:57] imm: kergoth: caffe ? [09:57] chouimat: hehe, just recompile OS-9 and it took 5 minutes. used to take hours on my coco3 [09:57] software_tweaker: Got a question about openZ [09:57] ***: hk (~kurth@ims.exfa.Uni-Magdeburg.DE) has joined the channel [09:57] hk: hi [09:57] hk: ca [09:57] prpplague: morning kergoth mdz [09:57] hk: can someone tell me how to run sd-cards on the ipaq? [09:58] Com[Plex]: hahahaha [09:58] kergoth_: hk: there is no sd driver for the ipaq. [09:58] hk: but for the zaurus? [09:58] Com[Plex]: hey kergoth, do the application keys work the same under opie as they do under the sharp rom? [09:58] imm: hk: you have to put them in the cf slot [09:58] kergoth_: hk: yes, there is a binary driver for the zaurus that is for a 2.4.6 kernel thats useless for you [09:58] software_tweaker: Can someone tell me how to remove the wireless icon from the sys tray in openzaurus? [09:58] kergoth_: software_tweaker: uninstall it [09:58] chouimat: imm: I think sharp must send another email to tell us that we're not forgotten ;) [09:58] Com[Plex]: I ask because the scummvm emulator doesnt work right under OZ [09:58] ljp_admining: wget -m is fun [09:58] kergoth_: Com[Plex]: yeah, they work the same, or should [09:58] kergoth_: Com[Plex]: if not, report the behavior [09:59] hk: kergoth_: won't insmod -f work? [09:59] software_tweaker: Hmm, which app is it? [09:59] Com[Plex]: - because on the sharp rom it uses the application keys for menu and such. and on OZ is doesnt. pressing an application key opens the app. [09:59] kergoth_: software_tweaker: um, its not hard to find [09:59] kergoth_: software_tweaker: "opie-wirelessapplet" [09:59] imm: chouimat: :) [09:59] kergoth_: heh [10:00] software_tweaker: Thanks, also.. [10:00] software_tweaker: Is there a way to display when the SD card is inserted on the sys tray? [10:00] kergoth_: it already does. [10:00] kergoth_: the cardmon applet shows both CF and SD [10:00] prpplague: kergoth: i heard from the office that they are sending one of the servers to ya [10:00] kergoth_: prpplague: yeah, we still cant reproduce it in house [10:00] benmeyer_sharp: hello, is the pckerflirt author here? [10:01] chouimat: imm: ping [10:01] benmeyer_sharp: ibot pocketflirt [10:01] ibot: benmeyer_sharp: sorry... [10:01] imm: chouimat: poooong [10:01] chouimat: imm: benmeyer_sharp want to talk to you [10:01] imm: benmeyer_sharp: im here [10:02] benmeyer_sharp: hey there [10:02] benmeyer_sharp: curius how the network scanning is done [10:02] prpplague: kergoth_: hows the 2.5 kernel for z going? [10:02] benmeyer_sharp: my zaurus's arn't finding each other [10:02] benmeyer_sharp: wait, now they did [10:02] numatrix: benmeyer_sharp: I like using the word zaurii. ;-) [10:02] prpplague: benmeyer_sharp: starcrossed z's? [10:02] numatrix: Looks nicer than zaurus's [10:03] imm: benmeyer_sharp: hmm, i open a port (8282) and scan for that [10:04] imm: benmeyer_sharp: it just scans xxx.xxx.xxx.1-254 for now [10:04] chouimat: numatrix: latin plurial for *us form? [10:04] numatrix: chouimat: something like that... /me never had any latin... [10:04] darienm: benmeyer_sharp: I can tell you about pockeflirt [10:04] darienm: benmeyer_sharp: oh, there's imm. [10:04] numatrix: darienm: imm probably can too sincec he wrote it. [10:04] numatrix: darienm: ;-) [10:05] darienm: numatrix: I was scrolled up [10:05] chouimat: numatrix: nice language, not much evolution for some times ;) [10:05] numatrix: darienm: No problem, just giving you a hard time. [10:05] darienm: numatrix: I probably deserve it too [10:05] numatrix: chouimat: That's what I hear. [10:05] cutm: totally unrelated: I get to see 311 Friday. :) [10:05] George-: How does one tell someone that he should stuff his WinModem where the sun don't shine in a nice way? [10:05] ***: BigBoss (~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net) has joined the channel [10:05] BigBoss: howdy ho [10:06] warmi: what need is a single repository or perhaps just a list of all apps that were created for the contest .. [10:06] chouimat: hi BigBoss [10:06] warmi: at least these that were awarded the Zaurus [10:06] George-: hey BigDude [10:06] cutm: George: tell him that it's useless for anything other than surfing the web on a windows box using AOL. [10:06] warmi: I mean not the contest but Sharp challenge [10:06] George-: cutm: hah [10:07] ***: jmhodges is now known as jmh|class [10:07] numatrix: warmi: I'm willing to maintain something like that if sharp is willing to provide the list but doesn't want to hassle with maintaining it. [10:07] imm: benmeyer_sharp: which ip addresses have your zaurii ? [10:07] * numatrix smiles [10:07] warmi: heeh [10:07] warmi: yeah .. that would be great [10:08] warmi: but , sharp folks most likely don't even keep the list like that themselves .. they just award Zs as betas keep coming in :-) [10:08] chouimat: George-: I just show my client to my boss. Will get a little founding :) [10:09] George-: founding? [10:09] George-: funding? [10:09] chouimat: George-: funding [10:09] George-: oh] [10:09] George-: how much? :) [10:09] warmi: man .. people either can't read trolls excellent docs or don't care enough to read ... there are so many questions which are easily answered in Trolls docs it is scary [10:09] chouimat: George-: too much word in english [10:09] warmi: on the mailing lists and on the zauruszone.com [10:09] chouimat: George-: enough to make a comercial version for the palm [10:10] chouimat: chouimat: maybe to get a commercial licence of qtopia [10:10] George-: warmi: the tt docs rock [10:10] warmi: chouimat: that is only like what .. $200 or so ? [10:10] imm: warmi: can you answer my question too ? [10:10] George-: I have a free commercial license :))))))))) [10:10] warmi: me too I have one [10:10] chouimat: warmi: plus the hours spend on it [10:10] warmi: but I would love to have license for PPC as well .. I am willing to pay for it [10:10] warmi: imm: what is your question ? [10:11] imm: warmi: how can i get my own ip address ? [10:11] warmi: you mean your own personal IP adress ? :-) [10:11] ljp_admining: make one up ;) [10:11] warmi: or is it your Z you are talking about .. [10:11] warmi: heeh [10:11] numatrix: imm: http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qsocket.html#967c97 [10:12] numatrix: What do you know; found it in the trolltech docs. ;-0 [10:12] George-: imm: ifconfig [10:12] imm: warmi: the one of my Z [10:12] imm: warmi: with qt [10:12] numatrix: imm: see the link above [10:12] ***: benmeyer_sharp has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [10:12] warmi: yeah ... use QSocket::address [10:12] numatrix: imm: it won't give you your broadcast, but it will give you your ip; that's how anselor did the same thing you're trying to do,. [10:12] warmi: just like numatrix pointed out [10:12] imm: warmi: thats 127.0.0.1 most of the time [10:12] ***: benmeyer_sharp (~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) has joined the channel [10:13] numatrix: imm: because you're testing it locally... [10:13] imm: numatrix: i talked with anselor, he said it wont work that nice [10:13] George-: benmeyer_sharp: ping [10:13] numatrix: Hmm, maybe not then. [10:13] numatrix: imm: in that case, you could always do what george suggested. It's an ugly hack, but it's what I told anselor as well. [10:13] imm: warmi: but i got a re: on qt-interest :) [10:14] benmeyer_sharp: pong [10:14] benmeyer_sharp: yah back online [10:14] imm: numatrix: yepp, thats probably what we have to do [10:14] ***: sjohnson (~sjohnson@sljohnson.state.ar.us) has joined the channel [10:14] warmi: imm: what happens when you open connection to say 10.10.10.1 [10:14] ***: prpplague_ (~dave@24.244.142.208) has joined the channel [10:14] numatrix: imm: I'm sure there's something in the c libraries you could use, but ifconfig would work... [10:14] warmi: what does Qsocket::address returns ? [10:14] ***: pdq has left the channel [10:14] imm: warmi: 192.0.0.1 [10:15] warmi: so that is your IP [10:15] George-: benmeyer_sharp: did you get my contest entry? The HTML editor? [10:15] ***: JasonNJ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:15] ljp_admining: benmeyer: did you get my cats challenge entry? ;) [10:15] imm: warmi: thats localhost, yes but my eth has an other address [10:16] numatrix: imm: did you mean 127.0.0.1? [10:16] warmi: uh ..so your Z has two interfaces ? [10:16] imm: numatrix: yes, sorry [10:16] kergoth_: warmi: of course it does [10:16] warmi: 192.0.0.1 is definately not your localhost address [10:16] warmi: hehe [10:16] kergoth_: hah [10:16] kergoth_: that had to be a mistype [10:16] warmi: kergoth_: no .. I did not mean localhost :-) [10:16] numatrix: warmi: I think he's returning the loopback interface. I think the situation is this: [10:16] warmi: that doesn' count as a real inteface [10:17] kergoth_: warmi: how so? [10:17] numatrix: He's trying to find the ip, but trying to find it ~before~ conneecting somewhere else. So the only interface that the socket points to is the loopback. [10:17] kergoth_: warmi: an interface is an interface, regardless of what it connects to [10:17] numatrix: Just a guess. [10:17] kergoth_: heh [10:17] tux_mike: hrm... [10:17] warmi: kergoth_: cause you cannot use it to connect to anything but yourself [10:17] imm: numatrix: exact, and i have no other address i know other then localhost [10:17] warmi: heh [10:17] warmi: numatrix: yeah .. [10:18] warmi: that is why I suggested actually trying to connect to some other Ip [10:18] imm: numatrix: if i connect to somewhere i can read my own address ... [10:18] numatrix: warmi: But since he doesn't know any.... [10:18] warmi: or perhaps just use standard unix calls to get this stuff [10:18] numatrix: warmi: That's what I think is the best bet for them at this point [10:18] imm: warmi: i tried, but not much success [10:19] numatrix: imm: How does anselor get the current address now? I know his works for that at least even though he still can't get the broadcast without using ifconfig. [10:19] numatrix: anselor: ping [10:19] kergoth_: imm: what exactly are you trying to do? get the ip of the eth0 or wlan0 interface? [10:19] imm: numatrix: he does a brodcast ping [10:19] imm: kergoth_: wlan0 [10:20] imm: numatrix: but he said that won't work too good [10:20] numatrix: imm: right, but that's ~before~ he gets the local ip? [10:20] uncon: BigBoss, u there? [10:20] numatrix: kergoth_ though in some cases, the wlan ~is~ eth0... [10:20] kergoth_: numatrix: huh? reread what i wrote. [10:20] kergoth_: numatrix: i said *wlan0* not *wlan* [10:20] ***: George- has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:20] kergoth_: numatrix: referring to the two possible wireless interfaces [10:21] numatrix: kergoth_: Ahh, gotcha; he may have misunderstood you as well. [10:21] kergoth_: imm: what method does the qtopia netsetup app use to determine the ip on the main widget? [10:21] kergoth_: imm: I'd look to that as a possible clue [10:21] imm: numatrix: he said he has to find a better solution [10:21] numatrix: kergoth_: I'm pretty sure imm's trying to get the current ip of whatever the up wireless interface is (assuming there is one) [10:21] numatrix: kergoth_: regardless of whether it's eth0 or wlan0. [10:21] imm: kergoth_: where can i find the souces of this ? [10:22] kergoth_: imm: qtopia cvs. [10:22] ***: George- (~Test@m353-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [10:22] kergoth_: imm: sf.net/projects/qpe/ [10:22] imm: kergoth_: will have a look [10:22] kergoth_: imm: it wont match the version on the Zaurus exactly, but it *does* check the ip of the interface [10:23] kergoth_: hah [10:23] kergoth_: imm: it just calls ifconfig [10:23] ***: roge99_laptop (~roge99@205.247.166.246) has joined the channel [10:23] kergoth_: imm: using the Process class. its in qpe/netsetup/lan/lan.cpp [10:23] kergoth_: imm: lame, but whatever works [10:23] roge99_laptop: morning kergoth [10:23] kergoth_: imm: just remember to check for both eth0 and wlan0 [10:23] kergoth_: morning roge99_laptop [10:24] numatrix: kergoth_: that's pretty funny... that was what I told anselor all along, but told him it sucked and was only a last resort... [10:24] warmi: well, not really lame since ifconfing will pretty much return the same format response on every Linux box [10:24] kergoth_: numatrix: hehe. apparently there's no Qt method of querying the interface itself, only QSocket [10:24] numatrix: warmi: Yeah, but lame in that there's no direct call to make. Pretty kludgy to have to execute a program and parse the output. [10:24] kergoth_: warmi: well, its lame because there appears to be no qt method to interface with the interface [10:25] kergoth_: warmi: or rather, query the interface [10:25] numatrix: Yeah, what he said. [10:26] numatrix: warmi; can I send you a new version of the nintendo emulator? It works (graphics are fun), but it could use some speedups, and I need to rotate the display. And remap keys, but that should be easy. [10:28] warmi: you mean it is not rotated ? [10:28] warmi: yeah, send it over [10:30] ***: moot (mooey@pool-129-44-48-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined the channel [10:30] imm: whoot, they use ifconfig :) [10:30] darienm: imm, scroll up a dozen lines [10:30] ***: prpplague has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [10:31] warmi: imm: I can give you pointer to page that shows how to use ioctl (sd, SIOCGIFCONF, &ifc); to get list available active interfaces [10:31] tux_mike: lovely [10:31] tux_mike: this is hilarious :) [10:31] imm: darienm: yes, would be nice [10:31] warmi: the only problem is that the description is in .. Polish .. by the code is in C ( of course ) [10:31] warmi: http://www.linuxpl.org/LPG/node94.html [10:31] tux_mike: we got a shipment of old computers from a canadian division that folded, and their "server" was a desktop with a dat drive. the dat drive wasn't terminated :) [10:32] warmi: check this out .. just look at the code snipets .. tthat shoul help you [10:32] ***: hk has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [10:32] warmi: tux_mike: hehhe [10:32] warmi: they most likely never used it [10:33] imm: warmi: thats basicly the source of ifconfig ? [10:33] tux_mike: prolly not :) [10:33] imm: tux_mike: the core of ifconfig [10:34] tux_mike: hrm? [10:35] imm: f*ck, that works only under root, or suid [10:35] kergoth_: imm: ? [10:35] kergoth_: imm: you can query the interfaces as a nonroot user [10:36] kergoth_: imm: just remember that ifconfig is in /sbin, and likely not in your path if you're a user [10:36] kergoth_: heh [10:36] imm: kergoth_: on Z ? [10:36] kergoth_: heh, on the Z you are root [10:36] kergoth_: regardless [10:36] imm: kergoth_: oh, nice to know [10:36] warmi: imm: you mean that code will only work when run by root ? [10:36] imm: kergoth_: but why is ifconfig not in /usr ? [10:37] warmi: yeah .. on the zaurus it doesn't matter .... you are always root :[-) [10:37] ***: MS_away is now known as MSpin [10:37] kergoth_: warmi: well, upcoming OZ will run opie as nonroot... but.. :-) [10:37] imm: warmi: not after kergoths answer :) [10:37] VerxWork: what keyboard options are there for the Z? [10:37] cutm: what do you guys, suggest, SD or MMC? [10:37] VerxWork: any way to have a larger keyboard for it? [10:37] warmi: kergoth_: well, that is going to wreck some havoc with apps that expect to be able to write anywhere they want on the system [10:37] roge99_laptop: imm: some systems mount /usr as a nfs share you would need config the interface before mounting usr [10:38] kergoth_: warmi: such as? [10:38] roge99_laptop: not that it matters on the z [10:38] kergoth_: warmi: tis solved easily enough anyway [10:38] warmi: I don't know .. places where they should not be writing :-) [10:38] kergoth_: warmi: i.e. ipkg will likely be suid [10:39] warmi: kergoth_: why is that you don't want opie to run as root ? [10:39] bewmIES: kergoth: network configuration? [10:39] bewmIES: (needs to write /etc/network/interfaces, or whatever) [10:39] warmi: just cause of the principle or anything more specific ? [10:39] kergoth_: warmi: protection [10:39] bewmIES: I dont' see the real need for it to run as non-root besides all the fluff people spew. :) [10:39] kergoth_: warmi: OZ is jffs2! [10:39] bewmIES: Oh no! Somebody owned my PDA!@# I'm dumb for letting them! [10:39] kergoth_: warmi: if we run as nonroot, there's a lower likelihood they'll fuck it up [10:40] kergoth_: bewmIES: its not for security, primarily [10:40] bewmIES: That's the best argument I've heard yet. [10:40] ***: mark (~mark@m319-mp1.cvx3-a.bre.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [10:40] bewmIES: How do you get around having to write config files, etc (such as interfaces(5))? [10:40] warmi: well, perhaps .. but then they will wonder why they are trying to save the file and it doesn';t work :-) [10:40] bewmIES: suid helpers? [10:40] darienm: VerxWork: VNC? [10:41] ***: Harlekin (~max@pD9E5F60A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [10:41] VerxWork: darienm: I meant while away from any other computer [10:41] kergoth_: warmi: then they shouldnt be saving their data files in weird places :-) [10:41] kergoth_: bewmIES: if necessary [10:41] Harlekin: warmi: back to the internet? .) [10:41] bewmIES: How would it _not_ be necessary? [10:41] kergoth_: bewmIES: being able to edit interfaces would be a matter of adding the user to a group that can write to it [10:41] VerxWork: Harlekin: Did you see the emails about the qpe load? [10:41] Harlekin: a new one? [10:41] kergoth_: bewmIES: now the actual call to ifdown/ifup would require root priveledges of course.. but [10:41] bewmIES: True [10:41] kergoth_: heh [10:41] ***: whardier has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [10:41] bewmIES: maybe investigate caps [10:41] bewmIES: (capabilities) [10:41] warmi: Harlekin: no .. I am using internet from work .. my home connection is about to go dark this week .. I am moving my entire domain to be hosted on my buddy server for the time being [10:41] bewmIES: Give them CAP_NET_ADMIN [10:42] kergoth_: bewmIES: hmm thats an idea [10:42] ***: mtm_away is now known as mtm [10:42] VerxWork: kergoth: I think the OZ release that nukes opie running as root will be avoided by most like the plague [10:42] warmi: he will also host mail.warmi.net so I should be ok [10:42] bewmIES: But that normally requires root privs anyway [10:42] kergoth_: VerxWork: huh? why? [10:42] VerxWork: kergoth: There will be so many apps that break, it will be months before things work again [10:42] kergoth_: VerxWork: opie on ipaq will be nonroot soon too [10:42] warmi: the only thing will be that I won't have net connection at home hehe [10:42] bewmIES: You normally start out as root (all caps), bind the caps you want, then drop the rest [10:42] kergoth_: VerxWork: just *fyi* [10:42] VerxWork: I know [10:42] kergoth_: heh [10:42] VerxWork: I have seen the CVS changes [10:42] bewmIES: I have some examples if you want to see [10:42] kergoth_: bewmIES: that would be helpful [10:43] benmeyer_sharp: wee [10:43] VerxWork: kergoth: Does the Sharp ROM have any sign of changing similarly? [10:43] kergoth_: VerxWork: most apps wont have a problem with it. [10:43] bewmIES: http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/stash/other/xntp3-5.93-1.1.2.src.rpm [10:43] kergoth_: VerxWork: no, but we are never told what direction they're headed in [10:43] bewmIES: That has Chris Wings ntp caps patch using kernel caps directly (bad idea, yes, but something the Z would probably want) [10:43] kergoth_: VerxWork: heh [10:43] benmeyer_sharp: oh, gone through another 10 or so [10:43] bewmIES: else it needs ot ship libcap which just takes up more space [10:43] VerxWork: benmeyer_sharp: the Z is just an incredible device. It grows on me more each and every day [10:44] VerxWork: benmeyer_sharp: I am stunned at the difference between my expectation and reality [10:44] glasseyes_work: benmeyer_sharp: just curious, are you rejecting many? [10:44] kergoth_: bewmIES: ahh.. gotcha. I'll have to read more about caps, I havent looked at it at all [10:44] bewmIES: I can extract the single patch if you want. [10:44] benmeyer_sharp: maybe 1 out of 8 [10:44] kergoth_: bewmIES: nah, grep is my friend [10:44] * VerxWork ponders [10:44] cutm: benmeyer: any idea when you're going to ship out the Z's for the apps that were accepted last week? [10:44] ***: kgbudz ([pOSFnufN9@westvirginia-lnx.cc.gatech.edu) has joined the channel [10:44] VerxWork: I don't think I have my ipaq serial cable anymore [10:45] VerxWork: hrm [10:45] benmeyer_sharp: they shoudl have gone out monday [10:45] benmeyer_sharp: sniper would know [10:45] * VerxWork wonders where it would be [10:45] benmeyer_sharp: he is doing that [10:45] bewmIES: http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/tmp/xntp3-5.93-caps-rwm2.patch [10:45] bewmIES: There is the patch [10:45] * benmeyer_sharp technical end [10:45] chouimat: benmeyer_sharp: did you see my app? [10:45] benmeyer_sharp: which app? [10:45] kergoth_: bewmIES: ah okay, cool [10:45] cutm: ben: ah, ok. [10:45] chouimat: benmeyer_sharp: znessus? [10:45] kgbudz: i noticed the symbol/socket wifi drivers have been released with sharp, anyone using them? [10:45] benmeyer_sharp: yah, probably 5 apps away from it [10:45] bewmIES: ntp_setcaps() would be the section of interest [10:45] benmeyer_sharp: getting closer :-D [10:45] ***: hardwire (hardwire@12-252-51-54.client.attbi.com) has joined the channel [10:45] ***: hardwire is now known as whardier [10:46] chouimat: benmeyer_sharp: just tell me if you have some problem with it [10:46] kergoth_: bewmIES: indeed, i see that. seems simple enough. [10:46] VerxWork: ah! [10:46] VerxWork: found it [10:46] warmi: VerxHome: so you like it more than your ipaq ? [10:46] VerxWork: warmi: I like it TONS more than either of my ipaqs [10:47] VerxWork: which is not at ALL what I had expected [10:47] ***: kalldrexx (~kalldrexx@pcp656159pcs.tallah01.fl.comcast.net) has joined the channel [10:47] VerxWork: I figured it would be a very poor replacement for my 3850 [10:47] treke: cool [10:47] warmi: well, you run Qtopia or OPIE on one of your ipaq, don't you ? [10:47] bewmIES: kergoth: Check out /usr/include/linux/capability.h for a listing of what caps are available and what they provide [10:47] VerxWork: the only thing I was bummed about (and still am) is that none of my MANY pcmcia components will work on the Z [10:47] VerxWork: so I have to spend money on CF equivalents [10:48] VerxWork: warmi: I run opie on both ipaqs [10:48] warmi: VerxHome: well, is there CF -> PCMCIA interface ? [10:48] warmi: VerxHome: on both ?? huh .. that's dedication [10:48] kgbudz: anyone here using a socket/spectrum wifi with the new drivers? [10:48] VerxWork: heh [10:48] VerxWork: no wince for me [10:48] VerxWork: :) [10:48] warmi: if you run opie on both then zaurus shoudn't have been such surprize to you [10:48] warmi: the keyboard, perhaps [10:49] VerxWork: warmi: That is why I thought the Z wasn't going to be that big a deal [10:49] VerxWork: but it is TONS better than the ipaq I have found [10:49] VerxWork: largely (I realize now) because of how I was using my ipaq [10:49] ***: BZFlag (~timr@gk2-ext.lineo.com) has joined the channel [10:49] VerxWork: 's [10:49] warmi: but yeah ..... PocketPC , while perhaps more well rounded OS , it is just way more ugly than Qtopia [10:49] warmi: I mean .. it reminds of me 3.11 mixed with XP [10:50] VerxWork: yup [10:50] warmi: strange [10:50] VerxWork: heheheh [10:51] ***: kalldrexx has quit IRC (Client Quit) [10:52] benmeyer_sharp: hehe someone asked me to e-mail them a 21MB file. hehe _ok_. [10:53] chouimat: benmeyer_sharp: ouch :) [10:53] benmeyer_sharp: I forsee there windows box diing [10:53] cutm: hahahaha, wowo [10:53] warmi: benmeyer_sharp: what's wrong with that ? it is rather standard operating procedure around here :-) [10:53] benmeyer_sharp: ? [10:53] benmeyer_sharp: at the newspaper? [10:53] cutm: haha, send me that 3.6GB file over, please [10:53] treke: VerxWork: so what ae the bigest differences? [10:53] warmi: sending 20 MB files thru email [10:53] warmi: no .. at this particular place only :-) [10:54] chouimat: warmi: same here people use Outlook as a backup tool [10:54] benmeyer_sharp: ugg [10:54] VerxWork: treke: CF + SD with no sleeve, having keyboard 100% of the time, those ended up being TONS nicer than I thought they would be [10:54] treke: ha [10:54] benmeyer_sharp: dvd-r baby [10:54] warmi: chouimat: I use outlook strictly as an email client [10:54] VerxWork: I mean, I could do all of it with my iPAQ's [10:54] benmeyer_sharp: I wish. :-D I am still using cdr [10:54] VerxWork: but not without sleeves and clunky solutions [10:54] VerxWork: the other thing is [10:54] chouimat: warmi: try drop your C: drive in it [10:54] benmeyer_sharp: but now have 2cd's per month. 1 for photos 1 for data [10:55] warmi: frankly, I am afraid to touch anything else .. there is so much stuff - once I touched I won't be able to get back to my usuall outlook mode [10:55] VerxWork: with opie-oipkg, I can (I was very surprised to learn) reliably install software to SD/CF [10:55] MSpin: benmeyer_sharp: I once had a guy e-mail a 100mb database from one cube to a cude down the hall [10:55] benmeyer_sharp: hahaha [10:55] kergoth_: lol [10:55] warmi: MSpin: we have like MS network tree with hundreds and hundreds of computers .. [10:55] MSpin: this exposed a bad NIC in the recieving end's system [10:56] warmi: it is easier to email stuff than to try to find someones computer in that maze [10:56] MSpin: haha [10:56] chouimat: warmi: ealier this year one of the secretary of one of my customer send a 6GB attachement to herself, she was making backup of her desktop before the OS upgrade [10:56] ljp_admining: hahaha [10:56] MSpin: LOL [10:56] warmi: well, 6 GB is a bit overkill :-) [10:56] benmeyer_sharp: just wait until you check you mail on your z with that [10:56] benmeyer_sharp: hahahaha [10:56] warmi: I mean .. that would certainly drive out NT dudes nuts here [10:56] MSpin: atleast she thought to do a backup:) [10:56] warmi: they have problems with MS Exchange as it is [10:57] chouimat: warmi: their mail server is in my office, and they use a 64KB links :) [10:57] warmi: hehe [10:57] tux_mike: 6G? what kind of email server would allow that! [10:57] ***: mark has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:57] * tux_mike limits to 3M [10:57] ***: JasonNJ (~perlowj@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) has joined the channel [10:57] warmi: but still MS Exchange and outlook work much better than the old Lotus stuff we used to have before [10:57] warmi: lotus + netware .. that was quite nasty [10:57] software_tweaker: Where can I get a digital camera for the Z? [10:57] chouimat: tux_mike: I have no choice I'mhosting mail for about 25 co so ... [10:57] tux_mike: yes. netwoare is evil [10:58] warmi: well, actually Lotus was more evil :-) [10:58] tux_mike: chouimat: what do you have attach limits set to? [10:58] kergoth_: anyone tested the new fbvncserver ipk in OZ yet? [10:58] warmi: it is such a nasty app huh [10:58] ***: kgbudz has quit IRC ("[x]chat") [10:58] tux_mike: i'd give them equal evilness [10:58] chouimat: warmi: It was the festival make space in the mail spool :) [10:58] JasonNJ: kergoth: not yet [10:58] chouimat: tux_mike: now yes. we didn't think someone will be so stupid to do that. [10:59] warmi: hehe [10:59] chouimat: tux_mike: some co have a limit of 75MB [10:59] tux_mike: chouimat: managing users, you have to think of the unthinkably stupid [10:59] imm: kergoth_: is the ifconfig on Z from util-linux or busybox ? [10:59] tux_mike: and then go one step beyond [10:59] * chouimat notes that autocad files have the tendencies to be fucking big sometimes [10:59] warmi: wel.. not only users ... the workstation I use ( Compaq) has part of its bios located on HD [11:00] tux_mike: how old is your workstation? [11:00] warmi: I did not know that .. and I formated everything hoping to install the usuall stuff 2000 + Linux [11:00] tux_mike: they haven't done that since the pPros [11:00] kergoth_: imm: for the sharp rom i dont know off the top of my head. busybox most likely [11:00] warmi: once I formated this shit it basically stopped working [11:00] warmi: kind of half-worked [11:01] warmi: tux_mike: like 2 years old or so [11:01] tux_mike: o_O [11:01] tux_mike: i haven't heard of them starting to do it again, what machine is it? [11:01] warmi: now when I press F1 ( which means load the bios) ot goes into Linux partition and loads linux automatically [11:01] tux_mike: :) [11:01] warmi: if I don't press anything .. it loads Windows 2000 [11:02] chouimat: tux_mike: this morning a user ask my if I can help him to mail a 500MB autocad file to a customer. I just setup a ftp server. the guy is Mechanical Eng. but I pass two hour on the phone to explain him how to use ftp [11:02] tux_mike: interesting boot loader [11:02] whardier: I seem to have a large infestation of lap kitties [11:02] warmi: very strange stuff ... and our tech guys don't even want to touch it [11:02] imm: can anybody with a sharp rom and wlan post a ifconfig output for me ? [11:02] tux_mike: warmi: bah, what are they, wimps?! [11:02] * tux_mike loves a good challenge! [11:02] * tux_mike looks at the defeated solo [11:02] kergoth_: imm: why not just swipe the code from netsetup? unless your app wont be gpl, then i can see.. [11:02] kergoth_: heh [11:03] tux_mike: :) [11:03] warmi: tux_mike: nah .. they basically told me " download stuff from compaq " and fix it yourself [11:03] benmeyer_sharp: ibot java contest [11:03] ibot: benmeyer_sharp: huh? [11:03] warmi: we are programmers after all [11:03] imm: kergoth_: i do, but it put out "eth0" :( [11:03] warmi: and they have to take care of the usuall office crowd [11:03] kergoth_: imm: ah [11:03] kergoth_: ARGH fucking allergies [11:04] benmeyer_sharp: anyone know where the java contest page is? [11:04] imm: ibot contest [11:04] ibot: i heard contest was http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ [11:04] chouimat: kergoth_: take some medication [11:04] warmi: kergoth_: : stuffy nose and such ? [11:04] benmeyer_sharp: thanks [11:04] warmi: hehe [11:05] whardier: INPUT [11:05] * whardier dies [11:05] imm: benmeyer_sharp: did you had success connecting PocketFlirt ? [11:05] kergoth_: warmi: primarily yeah, i hate having to breath through my mouth. blah [11:05] kergoth_: chouimat: good idea. [11:05] tux_mike: warmi: well, you would have to repartition to get that fugger on there, and i'm not 100% sure PQMagic will take care of it, and even if it did, it'll break linux [11:05] * whardier presses all his fire buttons [11:05] benmeyer_sharp: yes [11:05] benmeyer_sharp: in a way [11:05] warmi: yeah .. that sucks .. especially when trying to sleep [11:05] warmi: hehe [11:05] kergoth_: or eat [11:05] benmeyer_sharp: either way your app was aproved [11:05] chouimat: kergoth_: try some Claritin [11:05] kergoth_: i hate holding my breath trying to take a bite of osmething [11:05] imm: benmeyer_sharp: cool :) [11:05] kergoth_: heh [11:05] warmi: tux_mike: no .. I would basically wipe out everything and reinstall from scratch [11:05] warmi: that is the only way to be sure .. [11:05] chouimat: imm: happy? [11:05] kergoth_: chouimat: thats prescription right? hrm, i havent been to a doctor in about 5 or 6 years [11:06] warmi: nuke them from the orbit [11:06] warmi: :-) [11:06] ***: ljp_admining has quit IRC ("KVIrc 2.1.1 'Monolith'") [11:06] imm: benmeyer_sharp: so you mean i should prepare to finish the app ? ;) [11:06] chouimat: kergoth_: not here [11:06] benmeyer_sharp: yup [11:06] kergoth_: chouimat: ah [11:06] tux_mike: warmi: yah [11:06] tux_mike: that's your other choice [11:06] chouimat: kergoth_: in Canada [11:06] warmi: my third choice is to come bitching to my boss asking for a new box [11:07] * tux_mike is still wondering why the f*ck CPQ went back to the hard drive bios sh*t [11:07] warmi: this is 600 MHZ pentium + 256 MB ram [11:07] warmi: I have better hardware at home [11:08] tux_mike: warmi: at least you weren't working at my old job when i was there. I was on a PPro 200, a PII 350, a P133, and a P120 :) [11:08] warmi: well, yeah 600 is not that bad but still ... [11:08] umop-apisdn: I have a PPro 200 under my desk... heh... I think it might even work if I turn it on... [11:08] warmi: sys guys are running Mac OS X and stuff like that [11:09] tux_mike: *grumble* i don't wanna have to take a late lunch [11:09] * umop-apisdn hides his PB800 [11:09] warmi: they claim to be able to troubleshoot mac users [11:09] warmi: mac users my ass [11:09] warmi: they just like to have new hardware [11:09] tux_mike: mac users are some of the worst, though [11:09] warmi: well, there are quite a few of them here in Tribune .. [11:09] imm: anyone with sharp rom here ? [11:10] umop-apisdn: heh.. I'd never even consider a mac prior to OS X [11:10] warmi: moslty artists, page designers .. people like that [11:10] imm: anselor: ping [11:10] umop-apisdn: it's just a NeXT that can run old mac software too. [11:10] warmi: folks who work with the paper basically [11:10] ***: A_VeNoM (nobody@p3EE37498.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [11:10] A_VeNoM: Heya all :) [11:10] ***: ljp (~ljp@04-135.026.popsite.net) has joined the channel [11:11] ***: A_VeNoM is now known as nooone [11:11] darienm: imm: i have sharp rom [11:11] warmi: we have couple of older SGI boxes here [11:11] nooone: Does anybody know something that I can flash instead of the OZ? (for trying) [11:11] ***: chouimat has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:12] warmi: they run some background jobs but , .. man , do they look slick [11:12] MSpin: I very nearly bought a SGI Challenge for cheap at boeing surplus [11:12] umop-apisdn: heh.. the only SGI box I was ever on, had a wyse 52 dumb terminal connected to it... nothing else... what a waste of an Indigo. [11:12] darienm: nooone: picogui? qnx? [11:12] warmi: for how much ? [11:12] nooone: qnx? [11:12] nooone: is there a qnx for the zaurus? [11:12] ***: You are now known as darienm|away [11:12] darienm|away: ibot qnx [11:12] ibot: rumour has it qnx is a realtime platform - a hybrid that represents a cross between a realtime operating system and a platform OS. or at http://www.eugeneteo.net/files/sites/ipaq/ [11:12] MSpin: warmi: I wanna say $200 [11:12] warmi: what kind of CPU does it have ? [11:12] ***: XavierXeon (~mr_x@pD9E1E13A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [11:12] tux_mike: warmi: well, i can handle mac users, its just they know less than pc users :) [11:12] nooone: wow! thanks ;) I didn´t know that! is it good on the zaurus? [11:13] ***: chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) has joined the channel [11:13] darienm|away: nooone: I dont think anybody but cdm has seen it yet [11:13] warmi: tux_mike: yeah .. they are .. and they think they are better breed :-) [11:13] chouimat: grrrr [11:13] imm: darienm|away: could you send me a ifconfig wlan0 ? [11:13] MSpin: warmi: no clue, but I'd buy it just for the rack:) [11:13] VerxWork: you know [11:13] VerxWork: ymodem is only about 1000 times better than xmodem [11:13] nooone: there stands "ipaq" can I use it for my zaurus too? [11:13] VerxWork: :) [11:14] JasonNJ: Verx: I used to use Zmodem. [11:14] VerxWork: well [11:14] umop-apisdn: VerxWork: yea, but zmodem is even better than that. [11:14] JasonNJ: and ckermit [11:14] VerxWork: the compaq ipaq bootloader doesn't support zmodem [11:14] VerxWork: JasonNJ: Yeah, I used plain old kermit a lot [11:14] darienm|away: imm: i have to run out..sorry [11:14] JasonNJ: back in the olden days [11:14] tux_mike: i have too many computers around my cube right now [11:14] VerxWork: I downloaded 50 1.44 MB floppies to install Linux all over kermit [11:14] JasonNJ: when I ran a BBS [11:14] nooone: where to download it? there is a 404 in this site :( [11:15] VerxWork: that was how I got my start in Linux [11:15] VerxWork: :) [11:15] imm: darienm|away: np, cu [11:15] MSpin: VerxHome: sounds like slack:) [11:15] tux_mike: 13, currently :) [11:15] JasonNJ: used to have 12 USR HST's hooked up to a unix box [11:15] VerxWork: MSpin: Yup. With Linux kernel 0.99pl15 [11:15] VerxWork: :) [11:15] MSpin: VerxHome: hehe [11:15] JasonNJ: altos 4000 with a 40 meg hard drive [11:16] whardier: but!.. widescreen shows more naked people! [11:17] warmi: well, that qnx for ipaq is not available yet , is it ? [11:17] Harlekin: Onyx4: tested nfs yet? [11:18] nooone: where to download it? there is a 404 in this site :( [11:18] warmi: I know [11:18] warmi: I don't thin you can [11:18] warmi: I think this is just a prototype or something like that [11:18] nooone: Got it already [11:19] warmi: anyway .. nooone you don't like Qtopia/qte ? [11:19] tux_mike: gah! >< [11:19] nooone: QTopia is not bad... but not the best... Opie would be cool... [11:19] VerxWork: warmi: What is it you are talking about? [11:19] MSpin: now to figure out why my new build of OpenLDAP jsut decided to use a different databsae format....grrr [11:19] warmi: VerxHome: qnx [11:19] tux_mike: i wanted to go to get a snack, because i'm starving and i gotta take a late lunch, but i left my only $1 bill at home [11:19] VerxWork: oh [11:19] VerxWork: I thought you meant a pda [11:19] VerxWork: heh [11:19] nooone: ooohhhhhh.... [11:19] warmi: yeah .. qnx for pda [11:20] VerxWork: yeah, they have it on ipaq [11:20] warmi: :-) [11:20] VerxWork: I saw that [11:20] nooone: tI´ll try to flash that now... [11:20] VerxWork: quite pretty [11:20] VerxWork: it looks like they must have had an easy time porting things to it [11:20] JasonNJ: the zaurus version is coming [11:20] warmi: nooone: where did find it ? [11:20] VerxWork: cuz stuff looked polished [11:20] nooone: But I can flash that on my zaurus too or not` [11:20] VerxWork: JasonNJ: Really? Wow, so many nice options. :) [11:20] VerxWork: JasonNJ: The Z rocks! [11:20] VerxWork: :))))))) [11:20] nooone: warmi: downloading it already but does it work on Z? [11:20] warmi: VerxHome: well, qtopia looks polished as well .. especially on the screenshots :-) [11:20] warmi: I don't know [11:21] nooone: Who knows? [11:21] warmi: where are you downloading it from ? [11:21] nooone: qnx [11:21] VerxWork: though I don't think I will be switching from Opie [11:21] nooone: qnx.org [11:21] tux_mike: nooone: it prolly doesn't work yet unless they explicitly say [11:21] nooone: huh? [11:21] nooone: damn [11:21] Harlekin: hmm [11:21] Harlekin: kergoth_: ping [11:22] nooone: doods... I need another OS for my Zaurus! [11:22] benmeyer_sharp: chouimat: ping [11:22] nooone: for testflashing... [11:22] tux_mike: there is no others [11:22] nooone: what can I download and try? [11:22] tux_mike: no [11:22] tux_mike: it's not gonna be in the right format [11:22] nooone: there is OZ and Qtopia and so on... [11:22] nooone: nothing else?! [11:22] warmi: nooone: I say for for pocket pc 2002 [11:22] warmi: heh [11:22] tux_mike: nothing els. not right now [11:23] nooone: fuck [11:23] warmi: I say go for pocket pc [11:23] nooone: what is the name of this channel?!!! [11:23] JasonNJ: nooone: QNX and eCos and Windows CE are coming. [11:23] nooone: k [11:23] George-: Why do we need ops now? [11:23] tux_mike: windows ce is coming to the Z? [11:23] tux_mike: o_O [11:23] JasonNJ: tux: yes but not Pocket PC. [11:23] benmeyer_sharp: no [11:23] nooone: 0_X [11:23] benmeyer_sharp: ? [11:23] George-: JasonNJ: which one? [11:23] JasonNJ: and it wont be sold as a consumer product [11:23] VerxWork: JsonNJ: WinCE is coming to the Z? [11:23] VerxWork: ick! [11:23] warmi: Windows CE is for bigger devices [11:23] JasonNJ: CE.Net 4.1 [11:23] tux_mike: ah [11:24] VerxWork: why taint it with such blasphemy?!?!? [11:24] ***: sig_ is now known as sig [11:24] nooone: WinBLOWS on my little tiny lovely Zaurus ^_^ ! not with me... [11:24] George-: JasonNJ: Won't be sold? [11:24] George-: JasonNJ: it'll be given away? *g* [11:24] JasonNJ: George: nope. Not for regular consumers. [11:24] JasonNJ: A ISV is doing the port [11:24] nooone: ok... [11:24] JasonNJ: a reseller/integrator [11:24] nooone: I´ll be back l8r [11:24] VerxWork: JasonNJ: So they will sell it [11:24] George-: JasonNJ: heh, gimme! :0 [11:24] VerxWork: and no one will buy it [11:24] VerxWork: :) [11:24] JasonNJ: Verx: right [11:24] * George- shuts up [11:24] warmi: frankly, a lot of people not connected with Linux , claim that if only Sharp was selling Zs with PPC on it .. they would make a killing [11:24] ***: Wezzel has quit IRC (Success) [11:24] ***: nooone has quit IRC ("Why does OZ not work on my zaurus? a_venom@directbox.com for ideas.....") [11:25] warmi: with the keyboard and everything [11:25] JasonNJ: VerX: we actually have had corporate customers ask us for it. [11:25] tux_mike: yah [11:25] George-: JasonNJ: will there be any way for regular ppl to get it? [11:25] tux_mike: it's a choice thing [11:25] JasonNJ: for specific vertical market applications. [11:25] tux_mike: run what you will [11:25] JasonNJ: George: no, cause it has to be licensed. [11:25] VerxWork: JasonNJ: I understand [11:25] VerxWork: just makes me sad [11:25] Harlekin: hmm [11:25] George-: JasonNJ: ahh, ok [11:25] Harlekin: once wince is on zaurus [11:25] VerxWork: "You coulda been somebody, you coulda been a contenda!" [11:25] Harlekin: it is dead as linux pda [11:25] JasonNJ: George: I wont say no, but it wont be from Sharp. [11:26] George-: Harlekin: nope [11:26] tux_mike: jason: what is eCos? [11:26] George-: Harlekin: the techie community will still be here ;) [11:26] Harlekin: George-: not for zaurus [11:26] George-: ibot QNX [11:26] ibot: QNX is a realtime platform - a hybrid that represents a cross between a realtime operating system and a platform OS. or at http://www.eugeneteo.net/files/sites/ipaq/ [11:26] JasonNJ: Harlekin: there are plans for several Zauruses out. [11:26] George-: Harlekin: why not? [11:26] Harlekin: George-: they will move to a different pda [11:26] warmi: Harlekin: true [11:26] George-: Harlekin: such as? [11:26] Harlekin: George-: ipaq [11:26] VerxWork: JasonNJ: I would be more than willing to test each and every one of these Zauruses [11:26] VerxWork: :) [11:26] Harlekin: George-: or others that ship with linux [11:26] George-: Harlekin: iPaq's sleeving system is evil [11:26] Harlekin: no [11:26] Harlekin: its great [11:27] VerxWork: the ipaq sleeves are nice - they give you infinite expandability, but at a cost - SIZE [11:27] VerxWork: and bulk [11:27] warmi: and they are expensive [11:27] George-: Harlekin: it's too, er, expensive, hehe [11:27] XavierXeon: why should i want an ipaq when i can have linux pda with a keyboard ? [11:27] VerxWork: what would be nice is an ipaq with SD/CF expansion built in -*AND*- sleeve support [11:27] George-: XavierXeon: precisely [11:27] * VerxWork is hoping that roughly describes the new Z's [11:27] VerxWork: :) [11:27] Harlekin: XavierXeon: every had an 38xx or 39xx in your hand? [11:27] George-: VerxWork: surely the Sharp IO port supports that? [11:28] tux_mike: verx: the new ones are that way [11:28] treke: VerxWork: now that would be excellant [11:28] tux_mike: from what i hear [11:28] VerxWork: treke: That is what I am saying [11:28] Harlekin: tux_mike: not this year [11:28] JasonNJ: Verx: there are at least 4 new zauruses coming. [11:28] VerxWork: tux_mike: The new ones what? Z's or iPAQs? [11:28] tux_mike: they have sd on the side, and sleeve support [11:28] JasonNJ: I cant elaborate on tehir configuration. [11:28] tux_mike: ipaqs [11:28] George-: JasonNJ: 4?!?!! [11:28] treke: XavierXeon: it all depends on whether or not you care about the keyboard [11:28] JasonNJ: george: at least 4 [11:28] XavierXeon: Harlekin: yes. but i want akeyboard ! if the z wouldnt have come along i would have bought an ipaq [11:28] warmi: 4 new Zauruses ??? [11:28] George-: JasonNJ: such as? [11:28] warmi: uh [11:28] treke: JasonNJ: any etas? [11:29] JasonNJ: george: you'll have to wait. [11:29] VerxWork: JasonNJ: Excellent. When can I expect shipment? :)))) [11:29] tux_mike: sweet [11:29] Harlekin: XavierXeon: i like my stowaway [11:29] warmi: hopefully they all will stay compatible .. [11:29] VerxWork: JasonNJ: And will they all be arriving to my mailbox at once, or in stages? :)))) [11:29] George-: JasonNJ: ok, when's the probable release date? [11:29] Harlekin: XavierXeon: which is good enough for programming [11:29] George-: JasonNJ: or announcements? [11:29] warmi: there is not that many apps available for the zaurus as it is [11:29] Harlekin: XavierXeon: for less, i dont need a keyboardf [11:29] JasonNJ: george: no firm date. [11:29] VerxWork: JasonNJ: How about jiggly dates? :) [11:30] George-: JasonNJ: rough dates? [11:30] XavierXeon: Harlekin: i see your point. but i like my inbuild keyboard [11:30] treke: JasonNJ: do you think it may be this year or next? ( we wont hold you to it) [11:30] warmi: hehe .. [11:30] JasonNJ: treke: there will definitely be new zauruses next year. [11:30] warmi: once you say a word .. [11:30] * VerxWork wants a Z to Stowaway adapter cable [11:30] George-: treke: tell me or I'll tell MarkNovak where you live! [11:30] warmi: hehe [11:30] George-: er.. [11:30] George-: s/treke/JasonNJ [11:30] * treke shoots George- [11:31] * George- unleashes Novak on treke [11:31] treke: it was self defense [11:31] tux_mike: jason: one question, the commercial line of the Zs will remain software compatbile, right? [11:31] VerxWork: treke: I don't blame ya man [11:31] VerxWork: :) [11:31] JasonNJ: tux: yes [11:31] warmi: yeah .. it better be [11:31] VerxWork: JasonNJ: I love the lack of hesitation in that answer! [11:31] George-: are gcc 3.2's ARM optimizations better? [11:31] * VerxWork is happy again [11:32] JasonNJ: geroge: we don't really know yet. [11:32] XavierXeon: on the other hand if there is a windows zaurus i hope people who whine about not being able to sync with outlook will just use that model and complain to M$ ;-) [11:32] tux_mike: damn, the first level of IO on RocketElite is HARD! [11:32] warmi: VerxHome: on the other hand you know how big corporations are well known for sticking to their promises :-) [11:32] ***: Com[Plex] has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [11:32] Harlekin: man [11:32] tux_mike: jason: how far have you gotten in RocketElite? [11:32] Harlekin: warmi: and when you flash you ipaq [11:32] treke: RocketElie is just tough [11:32] Harlekin: warmi: make sure to upgrade your kernel to the preempt one [11:32] Harlekin: warmi: that makes your opie fly [11:32] * VerxWork smacks warmi and his lack of confidence in Sharp! [11:33] treke: Harlekin: eh? which one is that? [11:33] warmi: Harlekin: does it make that much difference ? [11:33] warmi: you talking about that patch right ? [11:33] George-: Harlekin: ? [11:33] George-: Harlekin: Does opie run much faster on preempt? [11:33] numatrix: Harlekin: you're talking about on a desktop, right? [11:33] VerxWork: Harlekin: Why do you think it makes that much difference? [11:33] warmi: well, Windows was doing that for ages [11:33] JasonNJ: tux: I've played all the levels [11:34] warmi: inf act they have all kinds of tricks to keep GUI seem more snappy than it really is [11:34] tux_mike: you got through them all, or just play them all? [11:34] tux_mike: :) [11:34] Harlekin: warmi: yeah [11:34] JasonNJ: I played em all [11:34] Harlekin: numatrix: no, ipaq [11:34] warmi: like boosting priority for threads that own active window etc [11:34] Harlekin: VerxWork: since i patched that one [11:34] numatrix: Harlekin: gotcha. [11:34] Harlekin: VerxWork: its now also an feed on hh.org [11:34] Harlekin: VerxWork: since jamey liked it [11:34] numatrix: Harlekin: any idea if that would translate into an equivalent boost for the zaurus? [11:34] warmi: tux_mike: I gave up on the very first level [11:34] VerxWork: heh [11:34] warmi: it is simply too hard [11:34] VerxWork: Harlekin: What seems faster? Everything? [11:35] numatrix: warmi: Yeah, it's pretty dang hard. [11:35] George-: preempt should make _everything_ fly ;) [11:35] Harlekin: VerxWork: start off apps [11:35] Harlekin: VerxWork: liquid is no as fast as normal styles [11:35] treke: Harlekin: where is the feed? [11:35] Harlekin: VerxWork: op² [11:35] tux_mike: it's not so hard once you start getting into it. it's got a, i guess you can say, learning curve :) [11:35] Harlekin: treke: www.handhelds.org [11:35] VerxWork: hrm [11:35] VerxWork: shame we can't easily do that on OZ [11:35] warmi: VerxHome: why not ? [11:36] warmi: I mean , it is ARM debian after all [11:36] VerxWork: warmi: We are stuck on ancient 2.4.6 kernel [11:36] VerxWork: :( [11:36] Harlekin: VerxWork: if you write a patch for the 2.4.6 [11:36] sig: W|GGL|T: [11:36] Harlekin: you can [11:36] VerxWork: at least for the time being [11:36] tux_mike: it's just the gravity in the Io level is really high [11:36] warmi: why stuck with that one ? [11:36] * gonkulator{work} is back (gone 20:29:38) [11:36] warmi: drivers issue ? [11:36] VerxWork: Harlekin: Can you give me the feed URL? [11:36] VerxWork: Harlekin: I am building an opie 3650 right now [11:36] numatrix: warmi: I think kergoth is working on a newer version. [11:36] treke: warmi: until kergoth gets a new version of the sd driver, he doesnt want to upgrade [11:37] Harlekin: VerxWork: is it not linked from the homepage? [11:37] VerxWork: lemme look [11:37] VerxWork: sec [11:37] treke: warmi: BZFlag is going to build him a new module when everthing else is ready for 2.4.18 [11:38] VerxWork: Harlekin: You said on the www.handhelds.org page, right? [11:38] * imm is away: smoke [11:38] Harlekin: VerxWork: y [11:38] warmi: well, frankly, I am going to keep Qtopia/Sharp ROM on my Z and upgrade my ipaq to this new familiar/OPIE [11:38] warmi: so OZ issues won't really affect me [11:39] ***: Microdim (~amd@adsl-66-120-59-194.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined the channel [11:39] Harlekin: http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/ [11:39] Harlekin: VerxWork: http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/ [11:39] tux_mike: warmi: dual boot on the ipaq? [11:39] ***: ljp has quit IRC ("KVIrc 2.1.1 'Monolith'") [11:39] VerxWork: ahh [11:39] VerxWork: preempt [11:39] Microdim: hello...How do I add a 32 MB swap file to my SD card on my zaurus? [11:39] * VerxWork will use that [11:39] George-: Microdim: don't [11:39] Microdim: why? [11:39] George-: Microdim: it's bad for the SD :) [11:40] Microdim: Are you bieng serius? [11:40] George-: yes [11:40] warmi: tux_mike: yeah .. I would like to [11:40] warmi: but first I will just try to flash OOPIE only [11:40] Microdim: then how do I stop the out of memory errors? [11:40] XavierXeon: Microdim: move as many apps as you can to your sd and make a swap on the ramdisk [11:40] tux_mike: oh, warmi, you ever get ahold of wolak yet? [11:40] tux_mike: make sure you backup your rom :) [11:41] warmi: not yet .. I can't find him .. I looked for him last evening [11:41] tux_mike: ok [11:41] warmi: I will call one of his dudes now [11:41] tux_mike: :) [11:41] warmi: they are in Exodus now [11:41] Microdim: why would using my ramdisk be better? [11:41] warmi: which is our hosting place where all the servers are located [11:42] chouimat: benmeyer_sharp: I can also made the client use the nessus plugin directly no need for a server [11:42] warmi: somewhere in Oakbrook [11:42] benmeyer_sharp: well keeping it the way that the app originally is is better [11:42] XavierXeon: Microdim: constant writing on sd wears the card out. constant writing to ram has nearly no effect [11:42] Microdim: what about cf? [11:42] treke: cf is the same [11:43] Microdim: as the sd? [11:43] treke: yes [11:43] software_tweaker: How can I read my mail on openzaurus? [11:43] treke: ram is safe to write to as much as you want [11:43] treke: software_tweaker: you cant try opie-mail2 if you use imap [11:44] software_tweaker: Ok, all i need is to read mail from hotsync [11:44] Microdim: ok isnt a swap file kinda like an extension of your ram though...to me it wouldnt make sence to use some of your ram to add ram [11:44] treke: Microdim: part of ram is being used as a ramdisk. it isnt available to apps to use [11:45] XavierXeon: so you use the ram disk a s real ram instead of using it as a storage area [11:45] XavierXeon: with a swapfile on the ramdisk that is [11:46] Microdim: ok well I try to put everything on sd but some wont so I guess you could say that I already moved all my apps to sd...well all i can [11:47] Microdim: so then how do I make a swapfile on ram? [11:47] XavierXeon: Microdim: http://rio.vg/zaurus/ [11:47] ***: ljp (~ljp@02-047.026.popsite.net) has joined the channel [11:48] Microdim: thanks just so that I know what the ramdisk is is that the storage tab in the sysinfo prog? [11:49] XavierXeon: ramdisk on sharp rom is /home and i think its labeled internal storage [11:49] George-: Microdim: it wouldn't matter if you used a microdrive.. ;) [11:51] treke: ibot, ipaq-preempt is ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.18-preempt/ [11:51] ibot: OK, treke. [11:51] * XavierXeon wants a microdrive that fits in the sd slot so he can still use his cf wifi card ;-) [11:52] VerxWork: XavierXeon: Bruce Perens had a 512MB SD card on here last night [11:52] Rince_: how much cost it? [11:53] VerxWork: a bit over $300 if memory serves [11:53] Rince_: nice [11:53] VerxWork: yeah [11:53] * sjohnson is away: I'm busy [11:54] XavierXeon: VerxHome: i know. i will get a 128MB sd card soon which will be enough for a while. all my data is on nfs anyway, only apps are on sd [11:54] VerxWork: ahhh [11:55] ljp: new openzaurus mirror feed at http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/openzaurus/ [11:55] XavierXeon: also you a 512 sd card will be more than $300 in europe :( [11:56] VerxWork: well I was thinking [11:56] VerxWork: if they can make a 512MB SD card [11:56] VerxWork: they should have 4GB+ CF cards soon [11:56] Rince_: Hmm, nice [11:56] Rince_: would be nice, yes [11:56] XavierXeon: i think the panasonic roadmap is for 4GB cd and 1 GB sd cards by the end of this year [11:57] XavierXeon: cf cards that is [11:57] imm: ibot, zbounce is this nice game brought to the Z by imm [11:57] ibot: OK, imm. [11:57] imm: ibot zbounce [11:57] ibot: it has been said that zbounce is this nice game brought to the Z by imm [11:58] XavierXeon: imm: url ? [11:58] chouimat: ibot, znessus is a nessus client by chouimat, will be also avalaible for KDE and the palmos [11:58] ibot: OK, chouimat. [11:58] chouimat: ibot znessus [11:58] ibot: i heard znessus was a nessus client by chouimat, will be also avalaible for KDE and the palmos [11:58] imm: XavierXeon: http://www.marknovak.com/zbounce_0.5_arm.ipk [11:59] George-: imm: DON'T mention that webserver [11:59] George-: imm: We'll all be accused of hacking, by wget'ing that URL!!!! [11:59] * numatrix laughs [11:59] imm: George-: :) [11:59] numatrix: yeah, imm; if you want to host that somewhere less like to scare people, you can host it on my site. [12:00] numatrix: less likely, that is. [12:00] George-: yup ;) [12:00] George-: CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE!!! [12:00] imm: numatrix: that would be nice of you [12:00] numatrix: imm: you want a page created for it or just the file? [12:01] imm: George-: seems you have big trouble with M_A_R_K N_O_V_A_K ??? [12:01] numatrix: imm: A number of people had trouble with him. [12:01] ***: QBasic (~blah@blgc4eqy579e.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined the channel [12:01] treke: VerxWork: did you find the feed? [12:01] VerxWork: yeah [12:01] imm: George-: i repeat M_A_R_K N_O_V_A_K ( the holder of the domain http://www.marknovak.com/ ) [12:01] VerxWork: but I can't use it right now [12:01] George-: imm: I hate him, is that illegal? :) [12:01] VerxWork: this 3650 I just put familiar on [12:01] whardier: hmm [12:01] VerxWork: doesn't have working USBNET [12:01] numatrix: imm: also, my site is a ~ton~ faster than his connecntion. It's actually a real webserver, not just somebody's cable modem with a semi-static ip. :-) [12:01] VerxWork: :( [12:01] whardier: I REPEAT [12:01] George-: imm: shut up, I hate him! [12:02] VerxWork: apparently they didn't put usbnet into the latest familiar build [12:02] whardier: HARDWIRE ( the holder of the domain http://hardwire.bogomip.com) [12:02] George-: hey QBasic [12:02] XavierXeon: who is hardwire ? [12:02] treke: XavierXeon: whardier [12:02] numatrix: imm: http://psifertex.com/zaurus/zbounce_0.5_arm.ipk [12:02] XavierXeon: treke: i know ! [12:02] ljp: hardwire is a leet cracker [12:02] George-: numatrix: Nicer URL :) [12:02] whardier: thanks ljp! [12:02] whardier: heh [12:02] QBasic: what [12:02] whardier: this is some funny shit [12:02] QBasic: George- [12:03] George-: hardwire overclocked his Zaurus, didn't he? [12:03] imm: numatrix: cool, thanks [12:03] numatrix: imm: I can put it wherever you like. Also, tomorrow I can put it on http://zaurii.com/ which I just registered. :-) [12:03] * whardier is walking into a place today.. to do a demo for some stuff.. [12:03] George-: or am I thinking of someone else? [12:03] VerxWork: bleh [12:03] whardier: with a 20 dollar diamond plate equipment case [12:03] VerxWork: win2k munged [12:03] VerxWork: gotta rebewt [12:03] ***: VerxWork has quit IRC ("[BX] Gary Coleman uses BitchX. Whatchoo talkin bout foo?") [12:03] whardier: filled with a $70 flightsticks [12:03] * QBasic is programming a 3D NES [12:03] George-: I don't see the point in overclocking a PDA< heh [12:03] whardier: and nobody is gonna know it cost less than $400.00 [12:03] ***: QBasic has left the channel [12:03] numatrix: That was strange. QBasic is gone quickly... [12:03] imm: numatrix: if i finished PocketFlirt and buZzword can i upload a little description page too ? [12:03] whardier: George- I see a point.. however.. in underclocking :) [12:04] George-: whardier: yeh [12:04] George-: whardier: underclock the Z to 1Mhz [12:04] George-: fun [12:04] whardier: no [12:04] whardier: ba [12:04] numatrix: imm: Certainly; email it to me jordan@d0pe.com and I'll put it up. If you really need ftp access, I can add it later. [12:04] whardier: d [12:04] imm: numatrix: thanks a lot ! [12:05] George-: imm: no! scp! [12:05] numatrix: imm: No problem. Heck, I'll just give you a subdomain. I'll query you all the possible top level names. [12:05] numatrix: George-: not likely; I ain't giving random people ssh accounts on my server. :-) [12:05] ljp: fastolfe came up with a way to overclock the z [12:05] George-: numatrix: heh [12:05] George-: numatrix: give me a ssh account, dammit! :) [12:06] George-: ibot logs [12:06] ibot: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr// [12:06] XavierXeon: numatrix: can i have a bank acoount on your server ? ssh acounts are boring ;-) [12:06] ***: seth (~user@p3EE28BC4.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined the channel [12:06] whardier: #? [12:06] numatrix: XavierXeon: Sure! Want my credit cards too? [12:06] whardier: HAHLASDKJFLASKJDF [12:06] whardier: FLARP FLARP FLARP [12:06] kergoth_: whardier: you want me to ipk up darkcurvese and sexycurves? [12:07] whardier: hey ljp you wanna come hang out with a bunch of nerds tonight? [12:07] numatrix: XavierXeon: just tell me your account number, bank routing number and I'll set it up. ;-) [12:07] George-: numatrix: give me an account belonging to group "root"! :) [12:07] whardier: kergoth: pweeze doo [12:07] whardier: I don't do opie devs [12:07] whardier: heh [12:07] whardier: its unfasionable [12:07] numatrix: George-: sure; what does that do? ;-) [12:07] kergoth_: heh [12:07] kergoth_: i havent done any opie development in some time unfortunately [12:07] kergoth_: whardier: what color scheme do you want to package with sexycurves, if any? [12:07] * XavierXeon pays $1,000,000 into his baml account in numatrix's server [12:07] whardier: derrr [12:07] George-: numatrix: it allows me to whup-ass ;) [12:08] whardier: package them all together [12:08] whardier: thenpass the package to me [12:08] George-: rm -rf / ;) [12:08] whardier: and i will maintain it [12:08] whardier: and add more themes / backgrounds [12:08] whardier: but you have to put it in the feed [12:08] whardier: heh [12:08] kergoth_: opie-scheme-hardwarestuff_1.0_arm.ipk [12:08] treke: VerxHome: preempt kernel does seem to make stuff much snappier [12:08] ***: Rince_ is now known as Rince [12:08] kergoth_: heheh [12:08] benmeyer_sharp: zz feed and howtos are updated [12:08] kergoth_: s/hardware/hardwire/ [12:08] kergoth_: god i cant type [12:08] whardier: heh [12:09] whardier: put hardwire.bogomip.com in the in40 [12:09] * whardier is so l33t [12:09] whardier: dude [12:09] whardier: that chick in Not another teen movie [12:09] whardier: the hot blonde one [12:09] whardier: she talks leet [12:09] George-: rofl [12:10] whardier: she like goes off on this valley girl tangent [12:10] whardier: jamie presley [12:10] whardier: mmm [12:10] whardier: I ran into a girl that looked just like her at a bar [12:10] treke: kergoth_: you thought of trying the kernel preempt patch on the Z? [12:10] whardier: she is the one I might have mentinoed that liked to grind with the pool table [12:10] whardier: mmm [12:10] whardier: fond memories [12:10] whardier: fond mammories [12:10] kergoth_: treke: I already have 2.5.31 running on it,w hich has preempt in the tree [12:11] kergoth_: treke: heh [12:11] kergoth_: tree: didnt do much testing with it [12:11] kergoth_: s/tree/treke/ [12:11] imm: kergoth_: i read somethin about jffs probs with preemtp ? [12:11] kergoth_: fucking lag [12:11] kergoth_: imm: if it explodes i'll llet you know [12:11] kergoth_: :-) [12:12] ***: Microdim has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [12:12] imm: kergoth_: maybe its too late then :) [12:12] treke: hehe. Ill find out soon enough :) [12:12] * whardier explodes [12:12] ***: extremis (extremis@equinox.alluvium.com) has joined the channel [12:12] whardier: I payed my rent yesterday! [12:12] whardier: finally! [12:12] ***: GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined the channel [12:12] whardier: 24 days late [12:12] kergoth_: whardier: congrats [12:12] ***: benmeyer_sharp has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [12:12] extremis: there you 2 are [12:12] extremis: kergoth: do you have a free moment? [12:12] whardier: he charges [12:12] extremis: good [12:12] extremis: I pay [12:12] whardier: and I do all the dealing [12:13] whardier: so gimme your CC # [12:13] extremis: 45483838383003 [12:13] extremis: amex [12:13] extremis: 05/05 [12:13] whardier: With the national bank of the funkass [12:13] extremis: right [12:13] kergoth_: amex #s dont start with 45 [12:13] kergoth_: hehe [12:13] ljp: hahah busted [12:13] whardier: visa ones do [12:13] kergoth_: yep [12:13] extremis: ahh, this is my visa [12:13] whardier: I worked retail once [12:13] whardier: which sucked [12:13] kergoth_: extremis: then you're 2 digits short :-) [12:13] whardier: I remember numbers really well [12:13] extremis: add a 00 to the end [12:14] kergoth_: hah [12:14] tux_mike: lol [12:14] whardier: AMEX breaks standards [12:14] extremis: my quesiton: what is the best way to ipkg upgrade [12:14] whardier: 15 digits [12:14] whardier: WTF [12:14] extremis: I have a new 10.5.5 install [12:14] whardier: y'know? [12:14] kergoth_: extremis: by typing ipkg upgrade [12:14] extremis: and I did ipkg update && ipkg upgrade [12:14] extremis: and many packages fail with "Illegal Seek" [12:14] ***: chayim (~chayim@gw-yyz.somanetworks.com) has joined the channel [12:14] extremis: and then they record themselves as upgraded [12:14] chayim: anybody here know about the openz configuration that's like Paul's SD on home? [12:15] imm: kergoth_: are we getting a 30-2 setup ? [12:15] kergoth_: extremis: ive never seen that. make sure you upgrade ipkg itself first [12:15] George-: imm: lol, what for? [12:15] kergoth_: extremis: i.e. ipkg update; ipkg upgrade ipkg; ipkg upgrade; [12:15] extremis: ok, I'll try that [12:16] extremis: also [12:16] kergoth_: extremis: but i dont know how that will affect things installed to cf/sd .. say for example a package loses a file and gains one, the symlinks in / wont be updated [12:16] ***: seth has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [12:16] whardier: what was that executable compressors name? [12:16] kergoth_: extremis: really oipkg needs a "Upgrade all" button [12:16] imm: George-: Mark Novak asked [12:16] kergoth_: extremis: the *safest* upgrade method is to tap on all of them in oipkg :-) [12:16] extremis: I had default install to mtdram in the past and when I did ipkg upgrade it downloaded the upgraded base packages and installed them to mtdram instead of rom [12:16] chayim: about that openz config? [12:16] kergoth_: extremis: hah [12:16] extremis: kergoth_: that doesn't work , it fails there too [12:17] kergoth_: extremis: I've never had an upgrade problem in oipkg. [12:17] extremis: I'll upgrade ipkg first [12:17] kergoth_: extremis: yeah, do that [12:17] kergoth_: chayim: tis on the todo list, among many other things :-) [12:17] extremis: btw, I could not upgrade ipkg in oipkg [12:17] extremis: :) [12:17] George-: imm: did he? [12:17] George-: imm: rofl [12:17] extremis: do I need -force-overwrite -force-reinstall ? [12:17] kergoth_: extremis: shouldnt... but it obviously wouldnt hurt [12:18] ToyKeeper: Oh yeah.. It took a while to get ipkg upgraded to the fam version. Had to extract it with dpkg then install manually. [12:18] chayim: kergoth_: I saw in the FAQ that there's the zImage that already supports it. My real question is will all apps work if you check the "link packages to root" as instructed. [12:19] kergoth_: chayim: ahh yeah i was confused by what you were asking [12:19] kergoth_: chayim: there is a report of a *weird* behavior with the zImage-32 and zImage-64, but i've never reproducedi t [12:19] kergoth_: chayim: yes, installing packages to SD with link packages to root will work fine [12:19] chayim: kergoth_: will the Z think of sd as root for all packages, or will I get those nasty ipkg errors. [12:20] kergoth_: ? [12:20] kergoth_: neither [12:20] chayim: kergoth_: I'm giving in and going back b/c I'm sick of people who can't package their ipkg. [12:20] kergoth_: ? [12:20] kergoth_: heh [12:20] chayim: kergoth_: sorry, maybe I'm being obtuse [12:20] kergoth_: most ipks fail to install to sd due to qinstall being a piece of shit :-) [12:20] ***: George- has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:20] kergoth_: some fail due to bad packaging [12:20] kergoth_: and some fail if yoou have a sd as fat16/32 due to symlink issues [12:20] chayim: I mostly get the ones that fail due to bad packahing. [12:21] kergoth_: in sharp rom? [12:21] chayim: s/packahing/packaging [12:21] ***: imm has quit IRC ("beer (well deserved this time)") [12:21] chayim: yuppers, that's why I'm thinking OZ. [12:21] kergoth_: chayim: you're using qinstall [12:21] ***: George- (~Test@m377-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [12:21] kergoth_: chayim: more packages will successfully install to sd in OZ than the sharp rom [12:21] chayim: kergoth_: I already replaced ipkg [12:21] kergoth_: chayim: i said *qinstall* not *ipkg* [12:21] kergoth_: chayim: its the gui thats a piece of shit [12:21] chayim: kergoth_: sorry, dumbass award please. [12:21] kergoth_: hehe [12:21] kergoth_: np [12:21] kergoth_: but yeah [12:22] kergoth_: i havent seen any packages that fail to install to sd in OZ with a ext2 card [12:22] chayim: kergoth_: I've installed the opie gui installer, but install most from console [12:22] kergoth_: ah [12:22] kergoth_: even to cf/sd [12:22] whardier: hmm [12:22] kergoth_: ? [12:22] kergoth_: you symlink manually then? [12:22] chayim: hmm... my sd card is ext2 and I've seen many fail (kpacman). [12:22] whardier: ever had bacon that tasted like pumpkin? [12:22] chayim: kergoth_: yup. [12:22] ***: Microdim (~amd@adsl-66-120-59-194.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined the channel [12:23] kergoth_: chayim: well hopefully it'll help now that ben did a tool to check ipk sanity [12:23] chayim: kergoth:_ removed /home/root/Applications /home/root/usr and /home/root/Documents and symlinked them to /mnt/card/ [12:23] extremis: in oipkg do I need to deselect the old package? [12:23] kergoth_: extremis: ? [12:23] extremis: I'm trying atd now [12:23] kergoth_: extremis: why dont people get this [12:23] extremis: with no force [12:23] kergoth_: extremis: you tap on the new package [12:23] kergoth_: extremis: it upgrades. [12:23] kergoth_: extremis: done [12:23] kergoth_: extremis: do *not* uninstall the old one [12:23] chayim: kergoth_: ben's tool is decent, but most people haven't used it I've noticed. [12:23] extremis: "Configuring atd.... Starting at daemon: atdmkfifo: no such file or directory.done" [12:23] extremis: hrm, maybe thats ok [12:23] kergoth_: extremis: you need the new busybox as well [12:24] George-: kergoth: ben did a tool to check ipks [12:24] George-: ? [12:24] kergoth_: extremis: upgrade busybox, then reboot [12:24] kergoth_: George-: yes [12:24] kergoth_: George-: ipkg-build checks them as well, but people are still using that piece of shit mkipkjs [12:24] extremis: that one was clean [12:24] kergoth_: s/mkipkjs/mkipks/ [12:24] extremis: rebooting... [12:24] George-: kergoth_: where's this tool? [12:24] kergoth_: George-: i dont know off the top of my head, he emailed the lists on it [12:24] kergoth_: George-: myself, i just use ipkg-build [12:25] kergoth_: heh [12:25] George-: heh [12:25] whardier: anybody ever planned on writing a VFS module for the kernel [12:25] whardier: that would fucking rule [12:25] extremis: so ipkg update && ipkg upgrade ipkg && ipkg upgrade busybox && reboot; ipkg upgrade [12:25] extremis: that would be the best upgrade path? [12:25] extremis: from a default install [12:25] chayim: kergoth_: think I'll get better mileage on my ipk probs if I just go OZ w/sd on home? I'll deal with the speed, the only real nasty is tkcEditor. [12:25] cutm: ... [12:25] George-: rofl [12:25] chayim: rofl? [12:26] George-: BigBoss: you here? [12:26] chayim: George-: what's rofl? [12:26] George-: ibot rofl [12:26] ibot: George-: i'm not following you... [12:26] extremis: heh, I've bought so mahy tkc apps, I won't buy anymore. but there are others I want [12:26] George-: stupid ibot [12:26] extremis: I think I spent over $100 on tkc stuff [12:26] George-: It's rolling on floor laughing ;) [12:26] extremis: thats just stupid for zaurus apps [12:26] chayim: George-: thanks! [12:26] George-: extremis: bigboss will be pleased at that [12:26] extremis: no shit, I'm not [12:26] extremis: I'm dumb [12:26] tux_mike: lunchy munchies [12:27] chayim: extremis: I dig the tkc gear, but $17 for todo is too much. [12:27] ***: VerxWork (~Verxion@12-219-165-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined the channel [12:27] numatrix: ibot: seen warmi [12:27] ibot: warmi was last seen on #zaurus 44 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: somewhere in Oakbrook [Tue Aug 27 16:36:18 2002] [12:27] chouimat: George-: my boss just called me, and want to know if i'm interested to port netbsd to the z and another strong-arm based pda [12:27] Harlekin: extremis: your prob [12:27] ***: VerxWork has left the channel [12:27] George-: chouimat: rofl [12:27] George-: chouimat: NetBSD? [12:27] whardier: wow [12:27] chouimat: George-: yes [12:27] whardier: somebodty added ftpfs-src o debian [12:27] whardier: to [12:27] chayim: arg... going down for a reboot. [12:27] ***: chayim has left the channel [12:28] extremis: kergoth: using oipkg it shows the old versions still installed [12:28] chouimat: argg must reboot [12:28] extremis: and the new versions as well [12:28] treke: alright. I've now got a persistant ramdisk :) [12:28] ***: chouimat has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [12:28] * whardier pimps all over himself [12:28] George-: they should write a replacement for that shitty qinstall [12:28] whardier: http://lufs.sourceforge.net/ [12:28] * whardier immedietly compiles [12:28] whardier: tests [12:28] warmi: numatrix: what's up ? [12:28] treke: George-: oipkg [12:28] whardier: then compiles for the Z [12:29] numatrix: kergoth: yeah, I had the same question when I was first using OZ; one of my main reasons I didn't stick; I really wanted the magic 'click here to update everyting from the feed but not the packages that are broken' button. [12:29] George-: treke: for the normal Z rom? [12:29] numatrix: warmi: I emailed you source to the new version of that nes emulator I was working on. Much cleaner; the blit code is in a seperate file, I was going to ask you to take a look at it and see if you could throw your asm code in it to speed it up... [12:30] warmi: sure I will take a look when I get home [12:30] warmi: how does it run now ? [12:30] warmi: acceptable ? [12:30] numatrix: Pretty dang well. [12:30] numatrix: Yeah, it's playable; slow, but playable. Anywhere from 70-90 percent full speed. [12:31] warmi: that's not bad :-) [12:31] numatrix: I don't know, I have a hard time telling. It looks great. [12:31] George-: numatrix: nes or snes? [12:31] numatrix: George-: nes. [12:31] warmi: especially compared to first version of gnuboy or Palm emulator [12:31] George-: numatrix: ok [12:31] numatrix: warmi: yeah, it seems faster than the first version of gnuboy. [12:31] warmi: does it have any sound ? [12:32] treke: hmm running off a ram disk is much quicker [12:34] ***: glasseyes_work has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [12:34] warmi: numatrix: you still there ? [12:35] numatrix: warmi: yeah [12:35] numatrix: warmi: No sound. [12:35] warmi: uh never mind .. I was going to ask about blit code but it is explained in your email [12:35] numatrix: warmi: :-) [12:36] numatrix: warmi: If I'm going to try to get sound working, I'll probably try to get SDL-mixer used in it instead of unixdsp like it's using now. [12:36] warmi: what's wrong with unixdsp ? [12:37] warmi: it is not supported on the zaurus ? [12:37] numatrix: warmi: Nothing other than the fact that it isn't working now. :-) I thought it was supported, but sound doesn't work. Maybe I need to play with it more. [12:37] kergoth_: extremis: yes I know it does, it shows every version of every package it has ever come in contact with [12:38] kergoth_: extremis: i think this is a ipkg thing, not a oipkg thing.. i think it collects the information in /usr/lib/ipkg/status [12:38] * mickeyl is leaving for a while... [12:38] ***: mickeyl is now known as Mickey|away [12:38] warmi: numatrix: this blit .. it blits to the memory buffer which you then blit to framebuffer using SDL right ? [12:38] numatrix: warmi: Plus, it has the added advantage of running at full-width. [12:38] numatrix: warmi: I guess; I'm still going through the code myself. [12:39] warmi: ah ok [12:39] numatrix: warmi: sorry, I really am a poor programmer... [12:39] warmi: does it show up correctly on the screen ? [12:39] warmi: I mean, does it appear to be correctly rotated ? [12:40] Harlekin: looks like many ipks on zsi are still packaged as tar in tar [12:40] numatrix: warmi: It shows up in the 'native' monitor mode of the zaurus; sideways. [12:40] Harlekin: not good [12:40] warmi: ah ok [12:40] ***: aramis (~aramis@SDT-NTAS.NFB.CA) has joined the channel [12:40] kergoth_: Harlekin: ? not tar.gz in tar.gz? [12:40] warmi: basically, you just do make on it right ? the Makefile is zaurus specific ? [12:40] ***: oGMo (~rpav@209.20.135.209) has joined the channel [12:41] kergoth_: Harlekin: i wish people would just use ipkg-build like they should [12:41] Harlekin: kergoth_: still [12:41] numatrix: warmi: Some tweaking was required... one sec. [12:41] Harlekin: kergoth_: thats wrong [12:41] Harlekin: kergoth_: they should in in a deb way or package [12:41] ***: kendrick2 has quit IRC ("liver doctor! :(") [12:41] kergoth_: Harlekin: ? the ipk format is tar.gz within tar.gz [12:41] Harlekin: kergoth_: not anymore [12:41] Harlekin: kergoth_: it once was [12:41] kergoth_: Harlekin: since when? [12:41] Harlekin: kergoth_: new one is that debian (ar) way [12:42] numatrix: warmi: cp Makefile.unixsdl Makefile; change the CC option in makefile and remove -mcpu=i686 and -DC80x86 from the TFLAGS. [12:42] Harlekin: kergoth_: that tar in tar caused problems [12:42] Harlekin: kergoth_: like that famous unzip bug [12:42] warmi: ok [12:42] kergoth_: Harlekin: when did this change? my ipkg-build still creates old format [12:43] Harlekin: kergoth_: noticed that [12:43] Harlekin: kergoth_: familiar changed [12:43] Harlekin: all new packages are that way [12:43] kergoth_: mkipks in opie still usees the old format too i'm sure [12:43] numatrix: warmi: if you want, the binary is http://d0pe.com/jordan/fceu [12:43] kergoth_: Harlekin: where is this documented? [12:44] Harlekin: kergoth_: debian docu [12:44] numatrix: warmi: I've been working with the keymappings a bit, but haven't done much otherwise. [12:44] Harlekin: kergoth_: ill look it up [12:44] George-: is there a new OZ rom yet? [12:44] kergoth_: Harlekin: i know where the debian docs are [12:44] George-: I'm on 2.9.5.5 ;) [12:44] kergoth_: Harlekin: where is the documentation on the fact that the ipk format changed? [12:44] Harlekin: no idea [12:44] kergoth_: Harlekin: its not on the ipkg page in handhelds wiki.. "So, a .ipk file is a gzipped tar archive containing 3 members:" [12:44] Harlekin: just noticed when i wanted to take a ipk apart [12:44] kergoth_: George-: just upgrade from the feed [12:44] Harlekin: hmm [12:45] ToyKeeper: Just use the ipkg from fam-unstable. That would resolve a few problems... [12:45] ***: chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) has joined the channel [12:45] kergoth_: ToyKeeper: we are. [12:45] chouimat: back [12:45] kergoth_: ToyKeeper: have been fr quite some time [12:45] ToyKeeper: As it is, the ipkg in the latest OZ rom cannot even install the fam-unstable ipkg. [12:45] kergoth_: huh? [12:45] kergoth_: dood [12:45] kergoth_: ipkg in OZ is the *latest* ipkg from cvs [12:45] ToyKeeper: I mean, use the exact same package fam uses, instead of a CVS one. [12:46] kergoth_: why? [12:46] kergoth_: cant do that now anyway, OZ buildroot is a hack and doesnt facilitate pulling from cvs and using a tag [12:47] kergoth_: right now itll only pull down from HEAD [12:47] ToyKeeper: Released versions tend to be more stable? I don't know. [12:47] Harlekin: kergoth_: fam switched with 0.6 [12:47] kergoth_: NO [12:47] kergoth_: fam unstable versions are tagged ipkg from cvs [12:47] kergoth_: following cvs development [12:47] ToyKeeper: I keep getting weird problems in OZ that go away when I install a different ipkg. [12:47] kergoth_: Harlekin: i ask again, where did they document this? [12:47] Harlekin: kergoth_: ask jamy [12:47] Harlekin: jamey [12:48] kergoth_: ToyKeeper: yes, i know [12:48] Harlekin: kergoth_: he will tell you that fam switched with 0.6 [12:48] kergoth_: ToyKeeper: latest oz release rom is using an older ipkg from cvs, from the date it released [12:48] Harlekin: kergoth_: ask jamey where he documented [12:48] kergoth_: ToyKeeper: grab the latest from the OZ feed if you want the latest [12:48] kergoth_: I'm not going to release a new rom on a daily basis [12:48] kergoth_: period [12:48] tux_mike: yum... time to eat [12:48] ToyKeeper: :) [12:48] kergoth_: thats what a feed is for [12:49] kergoth_: heh [12:49] tux_mike: ibot: feed me [12:49] ibot: tux_mike: i'm not following you... [12:49] ***: Teax (~tx@ppp-185-159.27-151.libero.it) has joined the channel [12:49] Harlekin: kergoth_: it has great advantages [12:50] Harlekin: kergoth_: burns much less cpu cycles [12:50] Harlekin: its pretty stupid to zip ziped files again [12:50] Harlekin: especially on a fixed point cpi [12:50] Harlekin: cpu [12:50] Harlekin: thats was probably the reason why they changed it [12:50] kergoth_: Harlekin: i know, i've bbeen opposed to the format as long as i've seen it [12:50] kergoth_: Harlekin: i dont argue that it was a good change [12:50] Harlekin: now it is loke deb [12:50] Harlekin: like [12:50] Harlekin: just _talk_ to jamey [12:50] kergoth_: Harlekin: i argue that its fucking stupid to make a major change without documenting it and updating the support utilities [12:50] Harlekin: he _is_ ipkg [12:51] prpplague_: ibot: buildroot [12:51] ibot: prpplague_: what? [12:51] Harlekin: kergoth_: it still can use the old format [12:51] Harlekin: kergoth_: the new one is just much better [12:51] ToyKeeper: The only place I saw it documented was in the ipkg control file. [12:55] kergoth_: Harlekin: yes I know [12:55] kergoth_: Harlekin: i think i wouldve noticed if i couldnt install my ipks anymore :-) [12:55] George-: ibot die [12:55] ibot: rumour has it die is DADO, DADO, DADO [12:55] ***: bbeattie (~bbeattie@cpe-66-1-180-69.ut.sprintbbd.net) has joined the channel [12:55] Harlekin: kergoth_: could you change the mkipks to it [12:55] kergoth_: Harlekin: yeah [12:55] Harlekin: kergoth_: the one we use for opie [12:55] kergoth_: Harlekin: will do [12:55] Harlekin: where was it in cvs [12:56] ***: [DrEvil] (evilone@user-2ini84r.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined the channel [12:56] * ToyKeeper ponders adding a couple wishlist bugs to ipkg in bugzilla.. [12:57] kergoth_: ToyKeeper: i should do that too [12:57] tux_mike: Culver's has to have the best fast-food burgers around. just for the fact that they have no aftertaste [12:57] ToyKeeper: It seems to be the "official" way of talking to package maintainers... Hardly gets used, though. [12:57] kergoth_: Harlekin: problem is, then opie apps wont be fun to try to install in sharp rom :-) [12:58] kergoth_: Harlekin: given they still use shell ipkg [12:58] extremis: heh, ok, after ipkg upgrade my zaurus won't load opie [12:58] kergoth_: extremis: ? [12:58] Harlekin: kergoth_: for retail rom they need to be packages seperate anyway [12:58] kergoth_: Harlekin: most app packages for OZ will install in shiarp rom, they just have to clean up manually [12:58] extremis: Unknown processor type--! [12:58] kergoth_: Harlekin: but you're right, we need a seperate feed or something [12:58] kergoth_: extremis: thats harmless [12:58] kergoth_: extremis: thats not the real failure [12:58] kergoth_: extremis: vi /etc/init.d/opie [12:59] kergoth_: extremis: remove >/dev/null 2>/dev/null [12:59] extremis: "getty: ioctl() TIOCSPGRP call failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" [12:59] kergoth_: extremis: run /etc/init.d/opie start [12:59] ToyKeeper: Any idea how to convince the Z that its hardware clock is, or is not, it GMT? [12:59] ***: Teax has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [12:59] ***: Microdim has quit IRC () [13:00] extremis: remove all refs to >/dev/null 2>/dev/null? [13:00] ***: XavierXeon has left the channel [13:00] ToyKeeper: I've never been able to get it to update itself into the right timezone with ntpdate.. [13:00] extremis: hmk there is 2>/dev/null > /dev/null [13:00] extremis: on 2 lines [13:00] kergoth_: extremis: remove them [13:00] kergoth_: extremis: then you'll see messages [13:01] kergoth_: Harlekin: looks like ipkg-deb-build is the new format, and ipkg-build is the old, eh? [13:01] Harlekin: could be [13:01] extremis: failing on libpam [13:02] kergoth_: Harlekin: well, the packages on zsi will/should stay old format [13:02] kergoth_: extremis: you installed opie-login [13:02] kergoth_: extremis: dont do that [13:02] kergoth_: Harlekin: for sharp compatibility [13:02] extremis: haha [13:02] Harlekin: kergoth_: yeah [13:02] kergoth_: extremis: opie-login depends on pam, i havent added pam yet [13:02] ***: Teax (~tx@ppp-185-159.27-151.libero.it) has joined the channel [13:02] ***: George- has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [13:02] extremis: why is it in the feed? [13:03] ***: George- (~Test@m377-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [13:03] kergoth_: extremis: cause i scp *ipk kergoth@openzaurus.sf.net... [13:04] kergoth_: extremis: hehe [13:04] kergoth_: extremis: just uninstall opie-login and opie will run again [13:05] extremis: I did [13:05] extremis: what about appkey? [13:08] tux_mike: warmi: ping [13:11] * whardier completes a sub club card [13:11] whardier: woot [13:11] tux_mike: sub club? [13:11] tux_mike: is that where you hit people over the head with sub sandwiches? [13:12] ***: [DrEvil] has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [13:13] whardier: heh [13:13] whardier: I get a free 6inch sub next time I go tosubway [13:13] * tux_mike slaps whardier with a cold cut [13:13] * whardier defends with his BMT [13:14] * whardier squirts oil and vinegar at tux_mike [13:14] NeoTron: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/a300/ [13:14] tux_mike: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20020827/tc_nm/tech_sony_betamax_dc_3 wow. only 2000 more betamax machines will be made. hury, get yours now, quantities are limited [13:14] NeoTron: some screenshots [13:14] tux_mike: neo [13:14] NeoTron: interested people can note that the documents tab is directory based [13:14] tux_mike: you made a fixed point library? [13:15] NeoTron: "library" is a bit too much but a fixed point class, sqrt, atan, atan2.. [13:15] tux_mike: are you gonna relese it? [13:15] * NeoTron shrugs. [13:15] NeoTron: perhapos [13:16] NeoTron: it's just one header file [13:16] tux_mike: hrm... because, the guy who makes billiardz could use it. that game is unusable with how many floats it has to use [13:17] ***: Com[Plex] (ANGRYMAN@65.217.160.228) has joined the channel [13:18] warmi: tux_mike: ? [13:18] extremis: time to find some good backgrounds [13:18] tux_mike: warmi: never mind :) [13:18] tux_mike: neo: those shots are good [13:18] tux_mike: you get your hands on an A300? [13:19] warmi: he doesn't want to tell [13:19] warmi: heh [13:19] ***: aramis has quit IRC () [13:19] warmi: tux_mike: qtopia code has fixed math code [13:19] warmi: if you need it right now [13:21] extremis: has perl been ported? [13:21] warmi: that question is best left unanswered .. [13:22] warmi: heh [13:22] tux_mike: what is it? [13:23] Harlekin: NeoTron: looks like may plans for documents [13:23] Harlekin: but only half way done [13:23] extremis: warmi: damnit [13:23] extremis: I want perl [13:24] ***: [DrEvil] (evilone@user-2ini8d7.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined the channel [13:24] ***: [DrEvil] has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:25] ***: imm (~imm@175.catv6.balcab.ch) has joined the channel [13:25] imm: . [13:25] ***: mark (~mark@m486-mp1.cvx3-a.bre.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [13:26] ***: prpplague_ is now known as prpplague [13:27] ***: benmeyer (~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) has joined the channel [13:27] benmeyer: Ah yah! 10.1MB/s [13:27] mark: benmeyer: bastard :) [13:27] benmeyer: oh, dang down to 6 [13:27] benmeyer: hehe [13:28] benmeyer: Both Jason and I have 10/100 switches in our cubes, so rather then going through Sharps network I wired them together [13:29] benmeyer: Through Sharp I got a max of 600K or so [13:30] MSpin: eww [13:30] ***: [George] (~Test@m331-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [13:30] MSpin: sure they don't have a Z running the switch? [13:30] ***: MSpin is now known as MS_away [13:30] mark: icefox: 600k, poor you! how ever do you cope? :P try 5kps... [13:31] ***: George- has quit IRC (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: [George]!~Test@m331-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net))) [13:31] ***: [George] is now known as George- [13:31] ***: mutexer (~spock@adsl-82-173-102.mem.bellsouth.net) has joined the channel [13:33] kergoth_: Harlekin: are we going to convert our docs tab into a ofileselector, or something similar? [13:33] ***: [DrEvil] (evilone@user-2ini8d7.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined the channel [13:33] Harlekin: kergoth_: yes [13:34] kergoth_: yay [13:34] kergoth_: ;-) [13:34] Harlekin: kergoth_: but ofileselector need that classic view first as option [13:34] kergoth_: yes exactly [13:34] Harlekin: planed since 2 month [13:34] ***: Onyx4 has quit IRC ("[x]chat") [13:34] treke: very cool [13:34] imm: benmeyer: do you know if sharp presents the Z on every exhibition they go ? [13:34] ***: JasonNJ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [13:34] kergoth_: Harlekin: where are the current opie plans? [13:34] Harlekin: kergoth_: not written down [13:34] Harlekin: just ask me [13:34] Harlekin: .-) [13:34] kergoth_: in your head? [13:34] kergoth_: hehe [13:34] kergoth_: k [13:35] kergoth_: itd still be nice to get a good project management tool [13:35] bewmIES: no such beast [13:35] kergoth_: yeah, i know [13:35] kergoth_: would be nice though ;-) [13:36] bewmIES: I want a toilet made of solid gold but it's just not in the cards, baby. [13:36] bewmIES: [13:36] kergoth_: hehe [13:36] kergoth_: Harlekin: plans question, will we be able to symlink/unlink packages installed to cf/sd on card insert/eject? [13:37] kergoth_: Harlekin: so people dont have to reinstall all the packages wehn they reflash, or so people can exchange cards with apcakges installed on them [13:37] benmeyer: imm: what do you mean by presents? [13:37] bewmIES: That would be nice. [13:37] imm: benmeyer: show them to the visitors [13:38] kergoth_: indeed, its been a common request [13:38] bewmIES: You'd need some index stored on the card to pull that off, righit? [13:38] kergoth_: bewmIES: the ipkg db is on the card [13:38] bewmIES: Since person B may not have the same packages installed as package A (and you want to swap cards) [13:38] kergoth_: bewmIES: for packages installed to the card [13:38] benmeyer: imm: lasted I checked [13:38] bewmIES: ahh, neat [13:38] kergoth_: bewmIES: so we just parse the db on the card [13:38] kergoth_: yeah [13:38] ***: KGBudz (rez@adsl-33-157-115.asm.bellsouth.net) has joined the channel [13:39] imm: benmeyer: i just saw that sharp is at the IT signals: [13:39] imm: void clicked(int row,int column); [13:39] imm: oops [13:39] KGBudz: anyone here using the new socket wifi drivers? [13:39] numatrix: warmi: Get a chance to look at the source? I'm hoping for your expert advice. :-) [13:39] imm: benmeyer: i just saw that sharp is at the IT excebition in swizerland [13:40] imm: benmeyer: would be nice if they could pull up the sales a bit [13:40] kergoth_: bewmIES: course we'd want to make the link/unlink optional on a card by card basis, as some people will get annoyed by any additional delay on insert/eject if its the only card they use :-) [13:40] bewmIES: heh [13:40] Harlekin: kergoth_: thats oipkgs job [13:40] Harlekin: kergoth_: talk to tille about that [13:41] kergoth_: Harlekin: k [13:41] benmeyer: imm: don't know about that [13:41] benmeyer: imm: Sharp [insert country] would decide about them [13:42] chouimat: benmeyer: Sharp Canada don't know if they will sell zaurus here before october [13:42] George-: benmeyer: tell sharp UK to lower prices on the 5500 in the UK :) [13:42] George-: benmeyer: 500 GBP (650 USD) is just *too* much [13:43] George-: =P [13:43] chouimat: George-: a ipaq 3800 is 899$ CDN [13:43] George-: chouimat: What's that in GBP or USD? [13:43] ***: jmh|class is now known as jmhodges [13:43] chouimat: George-: 650 USD [13:43] mark: George-: i wonder how many they have sold. about 5 i reckon [13:43] George-: mark: yeh [13:43] ***: jmhodges has quit IRC () [13:44] George-: chouimat: Yeh, well the iPaq 3800 here is about 550 USD [13:44] George-: chouimat: just shows... [13:44] ***: GabeW has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [13:44] George-: The 5500 in UK is *overpriced* ;) [13:44] George-: that's why I bought a 5000D over eBay :) [13:44] ***: jmh|class (~jmh@jmhodge.res.bgsu.edu) has joined the channel [13:45] * chouimat wonders why developer devices have always less features than the customers one [13:45] imm: chouimat: developers are underdogs [13:46] George-: chouimat: cos we're freaks [13:46] kergoth_: George-: speak for yourself :-P [13:46] chouimat: :) [13:46] George-: kergoth_: I'm a moron comparable to MarkNovak [13:46] kergoth_: mark: what was the status of kvim/e again? [13:46] kergoth_: George-: hah [13:46] mark: kergoth: hoping to be working in the next 2-3 days [13:46] George-: kergoth_: I'm a masochist [13:46] imm: George-: who is MarkNovak ? [13:47] George-: imm: shut up ;) [13:47] kergoth_: George-: you want kde on your Z, of course you are [13:47] kergoth_: George-: :-P [13:47] kergoth_: mark: cool cool, just checking ;-) [13:47] Harlekin: right [13:47] George-: kergoth_: lol [13:47] Harlekin: where is marknove [13:47] ***: ljp has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [13:47] imm: ibot seen MarkNovak [13:47] ibot: MarkNovak was last seen on #zaurus 4 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: im posting the screenshots of all you guys who ive logged trying to get into my machine [Thu Aug 22 21:25:03 2002] [13:47] Harlekin: i miss him [13:47] kergoth_: lol [13:47] mutexer: Should the developer challenge zaurus from last week entries be delivered tomorrow? [13:47] Harlekin: much less to laugh [13:47] [DrEvil]: his Sun went supernova [13:48] George-: Harlekin: lol [13:48] ***: George- is now known as MarkNovakTNG [13:48] MarkNovakTNG: Don't hack my box [13:48] MarkNovakTNG: ASSES! [13:48] imm: :) [13:48] * kergoth_ shoots george [13:48] tux_mike: har: but i'm so glad he's gone [13:48] * kergoth_ shoots george again [13:48] MarkNovakTNG: kergoth_: Fuck you! [13:48] imm: ibot insult MarkNovakTNG [13:48] ibot: MarkNovakTNG is nothing but a gleeking bag of common-kissing snake snot. [13:48] MarkNovakTNG: I'm MarkNovak, and I ROCK [13:48] Harlekin: tux_mike: maybe unban him for 2 h [13:48] MarkNovakTNG: My box is UNHACKABLE! [13:48] ***: leseb (~leseb@AToulouse-105-1-5-74.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined the channel [13:48] Harlekin: for entertainment [13:49] kergoth_: hehe [13:49] tux_mike: he prolly won't be back [13:49] kergoth_: hey leseb [13:49] MarkNovakTNG: ibot seen MarkNovak [13:49] ibot: MarkNovak was last seen on #zaurus 4 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: im posting the screenshots of all you guys who ive logged trying to get into my machine [Thu Aug 22 21:25:03 2002] [13:49] leseb: hi [13:49] Harlekin: an [13:49] Harlekin: man [13:49] Harlekin: the ipaq is now soo freaking fast [13:49] Harlekin: hi leseb [13:49] MarkNovakTNG: im posting the screenshots of all you guys who ive logged trying to get into my machine [13:49] MarkNovakTNG: you asses! [13:49] MarkNovakTNG: Don't hack me`1 [13:49] MarkNovakTNG: ASS! [13:50] imm: Harlekin: did you overclock it ? [13:50] kergoth_: MarkNovakTNG: its just not the same. [13:50] kergoth_: hehe [13:50] MarkNovakTNG: I run VNC over the internet, I'm 1337 [13:50] Harlekin: imm: no [13:50] MarkNovakTNG: I have 130 zauruses [13:50] MarkNovakTNG: mwahahahahaha [13:50] MarkNovakTNG: I'm a pain in the backside [13:50] MarkNovakTNG: dadada [13:50] ***: MarkNovakTNG is now known as George- [13:50] George-: :) [13:50] tux_mike: george: enough [13:50] kergoth_: George-: you're still a pain in the backside. [13:50] kergoth_: :-P [13:50] George-: tux_mike: I know ;) [13:50] George-: kergoth_: ass! ;) [13:50] KGBudz: harlekin: why is your ipaq faster than normal [13:50] ***: jmh|class has quit IRC () [13:50] George-: KGBudz: he's running Preempt [13:51] KGBudz: whats that [13:51] Harlekin: George-: right [13:51] imm: kergoth: can we get 30-2 and preempt please :) [13:51] Harlekin: George-: digging right now if I can break some more locks [13:51] Harlekin: George-: still reading jffs code [13:51] treke: preempt + nvrd == really fast :) [13:51] kergoth_: imm: preempt in 2.4.6? and i thought george was a masochist [13:51] Harlekin: hehe [13:51] George-: kergoth_: I'm looking into running e17 on my Z now [13:52] imm: kergoth_: preempt is around for a long time now [13:52] fusion94: George-: perv [13:52] kergoth_: George-: bah, just use evas2 [13:52] tux_mike: doesn't preempt need the new VM? [13:52] kergoth_: imm: even so [13:52] George-: fusion94: huh? [13:52] George-: kergoth: heh [13:52] kergoth_: imm: just wait till 2.4.19 is avail [13:52] George-: kergoth_: when's BZFlag releasing the SD stuff for 2.4.19? [13:52] fusion94: as quoted last night believe it or not: e17 is far from useful [13:52] benmeyer: kergoth: did you get that link I send you the other day? [13:52] extremis: What should I use for backing up my oz? [13:53] tux_mike: kerg: any ideas on when .19 will be ready? two months? three? [13:53] George-: kergoth_: And is there an opensource project underway to create GPL drivers for the damn SD? [13:53] benmeyer: about fast loading [13:53] ***: ljp (~ljp@04-149.026.popsite.net) has joined the channel [13:53] imm: Harlekin: there was a post about jffs && preemt == no good on the jffs list [13:53] kergoth_: benmeyer: yeah, people haver brought it up beofre [13:53] kergoth_: benmeyer: i'll take a look [13:53] KGBudz: where do you get preempt from? [13:53] extremis: benmeyer: have you recoded backuprestore for oz? [13:53] Harlekin: imm: regarding what [13:53] benmeyer: extremis: no too busy [13:53] fusion94: George-: you catch that ? [13:53] benmeyer: with contest [13:53] George-: fusion94: what?!?!? [13:53] kergoth_: hehe [13:54] imm: Harlekin: i search it [13:54] fusion94: George- as quoted last night believe it or not: e17 is far from useful [13:54] * gonkulator{work} is away: I'm busy [13:54] George-: fusion94: oh, ok [13:54] * gonkulator{work} is back (gone 00:00:02) [13:54] kergoth_: George-: he's right, e17 is far from useful right now. its getting there [13:54] benmeyer: mv /ho [13:54] benmeyer: bla [13:54] George-: fusion94: So, is the Sharp ROM useful? Still, sharp released it! [13:54] kergoth_: heh [13:54] fusion94: George-: and since he wrote the thing :P [13:54] kergoth_: benmeyer: backup/restore is still highly in demand for opie :-) [13:54] George-: fusion94: yeh, but you know me, I'm a moron [13:54] benmeyer: what about the network app? [13:54] benmeyer: which one is higher? [13:54] kergoth_: that too :-) [13:54] kergoth_: hehe [13:54] kergoth_: definately netsetup [13:54] George-: if anyone quotes that line, I'll kill them :) [13:54] Harlekin: kergoth_: netsetup [13:54] kergoth_: ill be patient [13:54] benmeyer: priorities [13:54] kergoth_: :-) [13:54] kergoth_: Harlekin: i know [13:54] Harlekin: kergoth_: much much more important [13:55] fusion94: George-: heh....i dinna say that... kergoth_ did [13:55] kergoth_: Harlekin: just pestering him :-) [13:55] benmeyer: once the contest is over I am going to finish netsetup [13:55] George-: fusion94: hah [13:55] benmeyer: get debian loaded [13:55] benmeyer: few other things [13:55] NeoTron: cool. The A300 document browser handles SD/CF cards in a sane way [13:55] kergoth_: NeoTron: it does? [13:55] NeoTron: basically just giving you another directory structure [13:55] benmeyer: yup [13:55] NeoTron: very good [13:55] NeoTron: useful [13:55] George-: NeoTron: ? [13:56] kergoth_: NeoTron: throw another screenshot up :-) [13:56] George-: benmeyer: why the fuck isn't that feature on the SL5x00? [13:56] treke: NeoTron: yeah, that was nifty [13:56] George-: ;) [13:56] treke: George-: calm down man [13:56] benmeyer: George-: Sharp Japan decides [13:56] benmeyer: I decide only what gets up on zz [13:56] tux_mike: blah [13:56] George-: treke: I'm pissed with the documents tab [13:56] benmeyer: notice? [13:56] George-: treke: It's dumb as shit [13:56] benmeyer: yup [13:56] tux_mike: kde takes so damned long to compile [13:56] George-: benmeyer: heh, ok ;) [13:56] kergoth_: tux_mike: no kidding [13:57] * tux_mike is not gonna have a usable computer tonight x.x [13:57] chouimat: benmeyer: when we will know when we will get our z? [13:57] benmeyer: tux_mike: what distro? [13:57] George-: tux_mike: I never have a usable computer ;) [13:57] George-: tux_mike: welcome to the club [13:57] benmeyer: chouimat: I approved your app right? [13:57] Harlekin: kergoth_: the lineo bootspash code [13:57] Harlekin: kergoth_: which license? [13:57] chouimat: benmeyer: znessus yes [13:57] George-: benmeyer: you did [13:57] tux_mike: ben: redhat, but i'm compiling straight from cvs [13:57] benmeyer: yes, then you are getting it [13:57] kergoth_: Harlekin: i'll check [13:57] extremis: Where can I find some good oz backgrounds? [13:57] chouimat: benmeyer: no email of confirmation? [13:57] benmeyer: I have the final say ;-D [13:58] kergoth_: Harlekin: does familiar have console on FB rotation yet? [13:58] kergoth_: Harlekin: or is it stuck sideways in some units? [13:58] benmeyer: you didn't get one? Opps I ment to cc you [13:58] Harlekin: kergoth_: no idea [13:58] NeoTron: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/a300/sc_11.57.32_2002year8g27day_Tue_.png [13:58] chouimat: benmeyer: got nothing [13:58] whardier: Davida! [13:58] NeoTron: George-: I'm guessing it will be a feature of future US zaurii [13:59] NeoTron: one should add that it scans files/directories on demand [13:59] George-: ahh ffs [13:59] George-: I WANT THAT! ;) [13:59] NeoTron: not when you insert it [13:59] NeoTron: and "My Zaurus" is kind of like "My Computer" in Windows. :P [13:59] George-: Is there a ROM download for the A300? [13:59] NeoTron: meaning it has all "drives" visible [13:59] benmeyer: wont work [13:59] benmeyer: different hardware [13:59] George-: benmeyer: I don't care, I'll hack the ROM [14:00] George-: benmeyer: :) [14:00] imm: Harlekin: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2002-August/005743.html [14:00] kergoth_: George-: if the binaries are optimized for armv5l it wont do you any good. heh [14:00] benmeyer: no they arn't [14:00] kergoth_: imm: ohhhh i remember reading that thread [14:00] kergoth_: ah [14:00] benmeyer: stupidly they arn't optimized [14:00] mutexer: benmeyer: did you guys get a lot of beta submissions for the developer challenge? [14:00] George-: kergoth_: They aren't ;) [14:00] kergoth_: benmeyer: hm, i should optimize the binaries in OZ [14:00] ***: oGMo has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:00] benmeyer: mutexer: tons [14:01] kergoth_: benmeyer: right now i'm not optimizing for armv4l in the OZ buildroot [14:01] mutexer: I figured so [14:01] benmeyer: kergoth_: thus the debian src packages with several tress :-D [14:01] kergoth_: benmeyer: yeah [14:01] George-: kergoth_: What are you optimizing for? [14:01] kergoth_: benmeyer: too much to do, too little time [14:01] mutexer: Im still waiting for my zaurus...soo much testing...soo little time :) [14:01] ***: oGMo (~rpav@sos-dialup195.nwlink.com) has joined the channel [14:01] benmeyer: after netsetup I will help you on that [14:01] benmeyer: also the guy who wants to get debian on the z will help you if you ask [14:01] benmeyer: http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ [14:01] kergoth_: mdz? yeah I talked to him about it to, he directed me to some *valuable* stuff [14:01] kergoth_: :-) [14:01] kergoth_: hehe [14:02] George-: benmeyer: I like Debian on Zaurus, it's nifty [14:02] benmeyer: The Debian Policy Manual? [14:02] kergoth_: benmeyer: familiar's autobuild system is a collection of perl scripts [14:02] kergoth_: benmeyer: rather hackish [14:02] George-: benmeyer: if not unbelievably unstable :) [14:02] benmeyer: ugg [14:02] kergoth_: benmeyer: nah mdz directed me to apt-src and dpkg-build2 [14:02] George-: NeoTron: you here? [14:02] whardier: I want an internet bachelors degree in something [14:02] kergoth_: whardier: ? [14:02] kergoth_: heh [14:03] ljp: I can print one up for you [14:03] George-: ibot wake up NeoTron [14:03] ibot: George-: huh? [14:03] George-: stupid ibot [14:03] * George- slaps ibot [14:03] ***: [DrEvil] has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [14:03] ljp: george: quit pestering the ibot [14:03] George-: ljp: NO! [14:03] George-: :) [14:03] George-: i just made a coaster :((( [14:04] George-: hmm, perhaps I should apply for a job at AOL [14:04] * ljp yanks georges ibot privledges [14:04] George-: ibot kill ljp [14:04] ibot: George-: what? [14:04] George-: ibot ljp? [14:04] ibot: somebody said ljp was currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid [14:04] George-: wtF? [14:05] NeoTron: list view: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/a300/sc_12.03.18_2002year8g27day_Tue_.png [14:05] NeoTron: thumbnails: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/a300/sc_12.04.04_2002year8g27day_Tue_.png [14:06] * imm is away: code [14:06] George-: ok, anyone here (apart from NeoTron) have a Zaurus A300? [14:06] ***: Statham (~zic@202.56.150.200) has joined the channel [14:07] Harlekin: NeoTron: hehe, opies has too [14:08] Statham: hi [14:08] NeoTron: Harlekin: hmm? opies has what too? [14:08] * sjohnson is back (gone 02:15:12) [14:08] NeoTron: list view? [14:08] Harlekin: NeoTron: in progress [14:08] Harlekin: .-) [14:08] ***: chouimat is now known as chouimat|away [14:08] NeoTron: in general tho? this is just for the documents tab [14:09] Harlekin: ofileselector [14:09] Harlekin: will get it [14:09] Harlekin: then its in every app to that uses it [14:09] Statham: anyone using zic on the zaurus [14:10] ***: agupta (~agupta@ironhide.tjhsst.edu) has joined the channel [14:10] benmeyer: nope, even here at SharpUS we had to give it up after a day [14:10] benmeyer: :-D [14:10] ***: roge99_laptop has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [14:11] ***: Statham has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [14:11] BigBoss: NeoTron: you got your hands on an A-300? [14:11] ***: endr (~martin@endr.demon.co.uk) has joined the channel [14:11] NeoTron: BigBoss: I did [14:12] fusion94: NeoTron: who'd you have to sleep with ?? jason ?? [14:12] tux_mike: you can prolly get them imported through dynamisim [14:12] tux_mike: dynamism [14:12] ***: chouimat|away is now known as chouimat|win2k [14:12] * ToyKeeper has to get together with ljp sometime and compare gutenreaders :) [14:12] chouimat|win2k: anyone know a good strongarm assembler? [14:13] George-: chouimat|win2k: i_am_b0rked_and_I_am_a_strongarm_assembler_ya_know_uh_wait_not_sure [14:13] ljp: NOP [14:14] ljp: toykeeper ? [14:14] ToyKeeper: gutenbrowser, right? [14:14] ljp: yep [14:14] ToyKeeper: :) [14:14] chouimat|win2k: George-: it's not funny [14:14] ljp: currently trying to undergo better file handling [14:15] ljp: ibot: george [14:15] ibot: hmmm... george is a small shell script. [14:15] benmeyer: ibot George- [14:15] ibot: George-: ibot is beginning to annoy me [14:15] George-: rofl [14:15] George-: ibot is starting to annoy himself? [14:16] George-: chouimat|win2k: heh [14:16] ljp: toykeeper: what gutenreader you have? [14:16] George-: ibot forget george [14:16] ibot: George-: I forgot george [14:16] ToyKeeper: ljp: http://xyzz.org/ipaq/screenshots.php?first=7&amount=1 [14:16] chouimat|win2k: benmeyer: did you send me the email? [14:16] George-: ibot george is a moron comparable to MarkNovak [14:16] ibot: OK, George-. [14:16] angry: a300 actually uses FOLDERS in the documents tab :) [14:17] benmeyer: chouimat|win2k: no [14:17] George-: i know [14:17] Harlekin: kergoth_: checked for bootsplash yet? [14:17] chouimat|win2k: benmeyer: ok, I have problem with my mail server, I just wanted to be sure [14:18] kergoth_: Harlekin: gpl [14:18] kergoth_: Harlekin: but most of the lineo stuff is ... rather hackish in places. we should be able to make use of it though [14:18] angry: NeoTron: you there? [14:18] NeoTron: yes [14:18] ljp: Lineo? hackish? [14:18] kergoth_: hehe [14:18] ljp: we all know Lineo's develoeprs are the best in the world [14:18] kergoth_: ljp: shocked huh? :-P [14:18] Harlekin: kergoth_: only version somewhere? [14:18] ToyKeeper: ljp: and my friend traevoli made an even wackier bookreader... http://traevoli.com/boust/ [14:19] Harlekin: ljp: there is no lineo anymore .-) [14:19] Harlekin: backrupt [14:19] Harlekin: bank [14:19] ljp: hehe [14:19] kergoth_: Harlekin: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/source/linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-sl5000d-20020318.gz [14:19] Harlekin: kergoth_: so no onlinecvs [14:19] Harlekin: .-) [14:19] kergoth_: Harlekin: you better get something like diffsplit to rip it apart into useful pieces :-) [14:19] kergoth_: Harlekin: no [14:19] kergoth_: Harlekin: i havent pulled that crap into the new kernel sources i'm working in yet [14:19] kergoth_: Harlekin: on my TODO [14:19] angry: NeoTron: the a300's desktop environment looks diff. from the current 5500, is it? [14:19] NeoTron: I thought Lineo got more cash? [14:20] angry: and why dont they release the a300's environment for the 5500 :) [14:20] NeoTron: angry: it has a different "theme" I guess plus that the documents tab is remade to be useful [14:20] tux_mike: heh... this is a first, the linux version of acrobat reader is higher than the windows version [14:20] angry: NeoTron: ahh, okay [14:20] kergoth_: NeoTron: i dont like that theme, myself [14:20] ljp: neo: they did [14:20] kergoth_: looks.. odd [14:20] George-: NeoTron: where can I get the ROM of the A300? :) [14:20] angry: NeoTron: all your games work well on it? [14:21] NeoTron: George-: I don't know. something I wonder myself [14:21] NeoTron: angry: uih. not quite. :P [14:21] Harlekin: tux_mike: ? [14:21] angry: :-P [14:21] NeoTron: for example all that uses my custom dsp code didn't work for two reasons - can't open dsp read/write but need to do it write only [14:21] NeoTron: and 2) can't play mono audio [14:21] NeoTron: I fixed those issues [14:22] tux_mike: harlekin: go to the acrobat reader d/l page, and you'll see what i mean :) [14:22] ljp: toykeeper: nice [14:22] NeoTron: Candy Cruncher, Eligo, Bust'em and SA works [14:22] tux_mike: reader for linux is 5.0.6, reader for win 5.0.5 [14:22] NeoTron: SA has some key binding issues I believe [14:22] Harlekin: ah [14:22] treke: tux_mike: amazing [14:22] Harlekin: tux_mike: though they have 6 out yet [14:22] NeoTron: RocketElite is too slow so I need to adjust its speed [14:23] ljp: ahh a300 has audio quirks like the Z has some ;) [14:23] treke: adjust its speed? [14:23] tux_mike: neo: have you played through RE? [14:23] angry: how much did the a300 cost for you? [14:23] fusion94: NeoTron: if your games have these many issues why in god's name are you on IRC ?? GET BACK TO WORK !!! :P [14:23] ljp: he had to sleep with jasonnj [14:23] angry: i got stuck at one RE level [14:23] angry: because its too hard [14:23] George-: fusion94: lol [14:23] angry: hehe [14:23] tux_mike: RE isn't that hard [14:23] tux_mike: Io on RE is hard [14:23] tux_mike: you fall way to fsckng fast [14:24] * treke is stuck on io [14:24] * angry is stuck on io [14:24] angry: i have no freaking idea how to get those with so little gas [14:24] treke: angry: there is more gass underground [14:24] angry: ahhh [14:24] angry: maybe there's hope for me yet then [14:24] tux_mike: angry: you don't want to use the tractor beam for all of them [14:25] treke: even so its still hard :) [14:25] angry: what level difficulty you all doing it on [14:25] NeoTron: fusion94: heh. Indeed. I'm workng on it. PurpleBlaster renders incorrectly [14:25] angry: im doing it on medium [14:25] NeoTron: that's my next todo [14:25] tux_mike: easy [14:25] angry: NeoTron: i want to install the new version, but will it keep all my jump gate stuff? [14:25] extremis: what file formats are support as backgrounds? [14:25] NeoTron: angry: yes [14:25] extremis: I've tried png/jpg/bmp [14:25] extremis: and all fail [14:25] treke: NeoTron: does cpu speed affect gameplay speed that much? [14:25] * ljp was in a band called iO [14:25] angry: NeoTron: so i uninstall the current and install the new? [14:25] NeoTron: treke: unfortunately yes. if it doesn't keep up the game lags [14:26] NeoTron: and since the main source of lag is pressing the stylus the game speed differs [14:26] ***: whardier has quit IRC ("BitchX: its all day strong, all day long") [14:26] kergoth_: ahhh [14:26] treke: NeoTron: what would happen if the cpu were to get faster? [14:26] kergoth_: perl's buildsystem is *horrible* [14:26] kergoth_: *horrible* [14:26] NeoTron: the game is made to run at 100+ FPS [14:26] darienm|away: NeoTron, Is that documents tab something you're working on? [14:26] ***: You are now known as darienm [14:26] NickServ: Notice: This nickname is owned by someone else [14:26] NickServ: Notice: If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [14:26] NeoTron: but I locked it in at 30 fps or so [14:26] NeoTron: darienm: no, it's the A300 document tab [14:26] angry: i want that documents tab so much :) [14:26] darienm: ahh. [14:26] ***: MS_away is now known as MSpin [14:26] NeoTron: treke: it's currently locked [14:26] angry: because it can use *folders* [14:26] extremis: ?? [14:27] NeoTron: it does indeed [14:27] treke: NeoTron: well would the game seem to speed up? [14:27] extremis: I've tried png/jpg/bmp [14:27] extremis: doh [14:27] extremis: file format for opie background [14:27] angry: that way it wont show all my game files and crap when i need to find something on my card [14:27] angry: not at the root dir. at least [14:27] ***: Onyx4|work (~clambert@sgigate.SGI.COM) has joined the channel [14:27] NeoTron: right [14:27] NeoTron: you have to browse your way through the directories to get there [14:28] ***: gbvb (~user@158.228.57.85) has joined the channel [14:28] ***: [DrEvil] (evilone@user-2ini8d7.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined the channel [14:29] George-: SHARP DOES NOT RECOMMEND using microdrive on the Sharp SL-5xxx series. [14:29] George-: [14:29] George-: uhhh [14:29] George-: that's evil [14:29] extremis: kergoth [14:29] treke: George-: what do you expect. itll suck up battery lif like no ones business [14:29] kergoth_: extremis [14:29] W|GGL|T: dunno why you'd want to anyways...battery doesn't last long as it is [14:29] extremis: what file formats does opie-look (backgroun) support? [14:30] extremis: are there limitations on size? [14:30] kergoth_: extremis: the formats qt supports [14:30] extremis: my jpg/png/bmps don't work [14:30] kergoth_: extremis: i.e. jpg, png, .. [14:30] extremis: hrm [14:30] George-: treke: They say it heats up the Z to beyond it's operating temp [14:30] ***: agupta has quit IRC ("I'm too lame to make a quit message") [14:30] extremis: is that opie-pics responsibility? [14:30] treke: George-: makes sense [14:30] kergoth_: i'm using whardier's png of DarkCircles right now [14:30] kergoth_: heh [14:30] kergoth_: no [14:30] treke: kergoth_: you one of the dark theme people? [14:30] kergoth_: hehe [14:31] kergoth_: i like dark themes, yeah [14:31] kergoth_: depends on my mood [14:31] treke: funky [14:31] kergoth_: wow [14:31] kergoth_: i mean, [14:31] * treke cant stand anything but gray for widgets [14:31] ToyKeeper: Speaking of dark themes, is there any way to change the text color of the icons? [14:31] kergoth_: i thought the pam buildsystme sucked [14:31] kergoth_: but that was before i saw perl [14:31] extremis: kergoth_: where can I download that? [14:31] NeoTron: angry: yes [14:31] gbvb: Is it possible to to theme Qtopia. I have standard 5500. Is it possible to theme it? [14:32] extremis: heh, these images show up with ?'s on their icons in the documents tab [14:32] gbvb: Or should I get opie? [14:32] extremis: I think my opie-pics is messed up [14:32] kergoth_: extremis: http://segfault.bogomip.com/DarkCurves_large.png [14:32] NeoTron: treke: no, the game would not speed up on a faster cpu because I limit the fps [14:32] kergoth_: extremis: dood, opie-pics is *only*( the included images [14:32] treke: NeoTron: ok. So must be seeing things :p [14:32] kergoth_: extremis: it has nothing t o do with viewing yours [14:32] NeoTron: turn on the FPS and you'll see [14:32] NeoTron: it will be faster outside of the game [14:32] extremis: kergoth: then I'm confused why they cant be displayed [14:33] kergoth_: extremis: well every one i've thrown at this works fine [14:33] NeoTron: the main issue with RocketElite is that it's written without an ability to scale speed as needed [14:33] kergoth_: heh [14:33] extremis: I'll try this dark one [14:33] extremis: see if it works [14:33] NeoTron: Bust'em uses a fixed update rate but screen update rate varies [14:33] darienm: imm: You here? [14:33] imm: darienm: yep [14:33] treke: NeoTron: well I switchd to the preempt kernel, and then I started sucking at rocket elite. Thought maybe it got faster :p [14:33] darienm: imm: I'm getting that ifconfig output from my pal who has a wireless card. [14:33] ***: panfilo (~tx@ppp-189-152.27-151.libero.it) has joined the channel [14:33] darienm: imm: Should be here in a minute or two [14:33] NeoTron: treke: it shouldn't [14:34] ***: panfilo is now known as Teax_ [14:34] NeoTron: the game busywaits to keep the fps fixed... [14:34] imm: darienm: hey cool, i just found out Z ifconfig is not the same as the x86 one [14:34] extremis: heh, must be a limitation on size [14:34] extremis: this dark one worked [14:34] treke: NeoTron: stays at a steady 28 [14:34] ***: sjohnson has quit IRC ("Client Exiting") [14:35] ***: sjohnson (~sjohnson@sljohnson.state.ar.us) has joined the channel [14:36] darienm: imm: There is no wlan0 device. You interested in eth0? [14:36] NeoTron: treke: as it should. It's depressing but still [14:36] ***: gbvb has left the channel [14:36] NeoTron: on ipaq it could probably run at atleast 2x that [14:36] NeoTron: hey, I should make it so you can test it unlocked... [14:37] George-: NeoTron: is there any way that you can tarball the fs for me? :( [14:37] NeoTron: no [14:37] benmeyer: Anyone know of a program where for say $100/year I can select what distro's I want and every time a new version comes out I get the cd's in the mail? [14:37] George-: NeoTron: damn [14:37] bewmIES: Ben: WHy? [14:37] NeoTron: benmeyer: nope but i'd be cool [14:37] bewmIES: Just download them [14:37] extremis: kergoth: do you have any other backgrounds? [14:37] bewmIES: Pay me $100 a year and I'll do it for you :) [14:37] benmeyer: because I waste too much time continusly trying to keep up [14:38] extremis: and/or themes [14:38] bewmIES: I'll bring them to your work, I work in Allendale. [14:38] bewmIES: (Assuming you're up in Mahwah) [14:38] George-: benmeyer: heh, debian is your friend :) [14:38] benmeyer: well debian too [14:38] benmeyer: debian 3.0 came out [14:38] chouimat|win2k: benmeyer: gentoo also [14:38] bewmIES: Keeping up with Debian stable is easy, once every two years :) [14:38] treke: benmeyer: after 2 years :) [14:38] benmeyer: and I just now finally got around to getting the 7 cd's [14:38] bewmIES: I just do netinst [14:38] benmeyer: yes, my debian box lasted about 2 years too [14:39] ToyKeeper: benmeyer: keeping up with debian is pretty easy, without bothing with CDs or reinstalls or anything like that. [14:39] bewmIES: Just use sid and dist-upgrade every so often. [14:39] benmeyer: but for example msdn cost $2K a year [14:39] NeoTron: two things I've notcied with A300 in English mode: sorting seems odd (incorrect) at times and the date format is just fscking weird [14:39] benmeyer: ToyKeeper: ok bad example [14:39] benmeyer: try redhat [14:39] benmeyer: up2date is allways busy [14:39] ToyKeeper: I thought redhat had a subscription program now. [14:39] bewmIES: Use apt for rpm :) [14:39] benmeyer: yah, but I don't want it [14:39] benmeyer: I want the CD [14:39] benmeyer: so I can install it on my new computer [14:40] treke: cant just go order a new cd every 5 months? [14:40] leseb: benmeyer: i use redhat with autoupdate perl script with a ftp mirror [14:40] benmeyer: yes I could [14:40] bewmIES: Then write distrowatch.pl that watches, say ftp.lug.udel.edu [14:40] benmeyer: you all are missing the point [14:40] bewmIES: (my favorite mirror that has nearly every distro) [14:40] bewmIES: Have it email you when ther eis an update, hell even have it auto get it. [14:40] ***: diclophis (~diclophis@DHCP-65-66.hsc.usf.edu) has joined the channel [14:40] diclophis: z0r [14:40] bewmIES: Or pay me $100/yr and I'll do it for you :) [14:41] imm: darienm: yes [14:41] chouimat|win2k: benmeyer: I love emerge --update world [14:41] Teax_: ibot seen sniperù [14:41] ibot: I haven't seen 'sniperù', Teax_ [14:41] Teax_: ibot seen sniper [14:41] ibot: sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 35 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: bb: i sent your email onwards asking for it [Mon Aug 26 18:59:36 2002] [14:41] George-: i'm emerge rsync'ing now ;) [14:41] George-: ibot die [14:41] ibot: die is DADO, DADO, DADO!!!! [14:41] George-: I love abusing ibot [14:41] ToyKeeper: I still think redhat offers subscriptions. (or is that linuxmall which does that?) [14:41] diclophis: ibot seen benmeyer [14:41] ibot: benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 1 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: you all are missing the point [Tue Aug 27 19:34:25 2002] [14:42] NeoTron: package install from SD is still painfully slow, perhaps even more so [14:42] treke: benmeyer: what was the point? [14:42] benmeyer: yes, each distro has there own subscription system [14:42] bewmIES: The point was he's too lazy to check a mirror every so oftne. :) [14:42] benmeyer: but I am not tied to one distro and would like to try out distros as they come out [14:42] ljp: openzaurus needs a subscription service [14:42] treke: ah [14:42] benmeyer: new suse? Lycoris? [14:42] darienm: imm: where can I send you this output? [14:42] treke: thats a different story. [14:42] diclophis: benmeyer still flooded with apps? [14:43] benmeyer: yes, why what is yours? [14:43] diclophis: nutron [14:43] diclophis: i talked with you yesterday about it [14:43] ToyKeeper: Someone (linuxmall? thinkgeek?) offers a linux "megapack" with the top few distros in it for like $1 per CD. Just get that every 6 months. [14:43] * ljp wonders how his cats challenge program did [14:44] benmeyer: diclophis: hehe yah your e-mail had instructions so it got pushed back. [14:44] treke: benmeyer: that sort of subscription seems impractical because of cost [14:44] benmeyer: sorry [14:44] benmeyer: trying to get to them all today [14:44] extremis: anyone porting kismet_qt to oz? [14:44] diclophis: no prob [14:44] imm: darienm: imm@gmx.ch [14:44] benmeyer: treke: impreactical to whom? [14:44] diclophis: jsut a little antsy you know ;) [14:44] treke: benmeyer: the distibutor [14:44] benmeyer: msdn cost 2K a year [14:44] diclophis: anyone try mozilla 1.1 ? [14:44] Onyx4|work: did anyone find a way to not have content on the SD card show up in documents? I mean everything on my sd card shows up there, like icons, sound files, applications,etc.. [14:44] bewmIES: Hmm, there is a kismet for Qt? [14:44] ***: ibz (~ibraheem@host217-39-5-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined the channel [14:44] benmeyer: what if I charge 2K per year. Do you still think it will be impractival for me? [14:45] treke: benmeyer: not if you can find someone who will pay that [14:45] chouimat|win2k: benmeyer: urk msdn [14:47] treke: benmeyer: youd probably want to pay on a per distro basis. What if you dont want to pay the 50 (or whatever) dollars for the new suse [14:47] Onyx4|work: bewmIES: there is one, but it's outdated [14:47] Onyx4|work: bewmIES: just use the kismet panel interface in terminal [14:47] cutm: just download slackware and be done with it :-) [14:47] benmeyer: treke: you could select what distro's you want [14:47] bewmIES: Yeah but that doesn't suspend very well [14:50] ***: ljp has quit IRC ("KVIrc 2.1.1 'Monolith'") [14:50] Onyx4|work: I found a .opie-storage.cfg on the /mnt/card directory , but everything in there is turned off, so it shouldn't scan it for documents, weird [14:51] numatrix: Sweet; just played a multiplayer nintendo game on the zaurus and on my desktop. That's a little sick. Zaurus couldn't keep up at all, but it worked fine as an extra controller if you watched the pc screen... [14:51] ***: mark has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:51] treke: benmeyer: call the linuxmall people, see what they think [14:53] Harlekin: ibot: seen VerxHome [14:53] ibot: VerxHome was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 17 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: :) [Tue Aug 27 13:29:38 2002] [14:53] ***: Teax has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [14:54] darienm: numatrix: makes me think of the time I played Counter-Strike via VNC from my Mac. [14:54] Harlekin: darienm: lol [14:54] numatrix: darienm: Niice; must have been painful. [14:54] darienm: numatrix: with only one mouse button-- yeahl [14:54] Harlekin: darienm: how did you get cs not to use directX? [14:55] darienm: software mode [14:55] darienm: imm: check your email [14:56] imm: darienm: thanks ! [14:56] Onyx4|work: there is a nice new gameboy emulator for zaurus, no need to use keyboard at all [14:56] darienm: imm: someone told me this might help also [14:56] darienm: imm: /sbin/ifconfig | grep 'inet addr' | grep -v '127.0.0' | cut -b 21-36 |cut -d' ' -f1 [14:56] Onyx4|work: it uses the calendar, addressbook buttons for A/B [14:56] Harlekin: ibot: seen Verxwork [14:56] ibot: Verxwork was last seen on #opie 1 hours, 24 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: so windows is fine [Tue Aug 27 18:26:11 2002] [14:57] cutm: :q [14:57] cutm: ls [14:57] cutm: ack [14:57] darienm: imm: did you try gethostname, and gethostbyname ? [14:57] imm: darienm: i do somethin like this, but with QRegExp [14:57] tux_mike: woah, game boy emu went and took a dump on me [14:57] imm: darienm: that would be the other solution [14:57] numatrix: tux_mike: Which one? [14:57] tux_mike: warmi's [14:58] * numatrix wipes his brow. [14:58] numatrix: Whew; off the hook. [14:58] tux_mike: qtopia parts crashed, but the emu still ran :) [14:58] Wembly: cute [14:58] numatrix: Nifty. [14:58] ***: treke has quit IRC ("rebooting. *sniffle*") [14:58] numatrix: tux_mike: Have you tried the sdl gameboy emu? [14:59] ***: mark (~mark@m211-mp1.cvx2-b.bre.dial.ntli.net) has joined the channel [14:59] mark: anyone done any mixed mode C and C++ progs? (warmi?) [15:00] leseb: yes [15:00] warmi: mark: yeah [15:00] warmi: tux_mike: hehe .. it is most likely some issue with the original gnubou [15:01] tux_mike: ya